UPDATED: September 8 speech from Dear Leader – Obama’s push to own the minds of our kids (in school)


Drudge has a link to information that Barack Obama will be “speaking” to students nationwide on September 8.

President Obama’s Address to Students Across America September 8, 2009
PreK-6 Menu of Classroom Activities: President Obama’s Address to Students Across America
Produced by Teaching Ambassador Fellows, U.S. Department of Education
September 8, 2009

Perhaps its harmless, but Obama’s past behavior and his push for “service”  and community over individuals make me very uncomfortable….

My kids will be forced to listen to the views of a President that is perhaps the most anti-American in history, not to mention one who believes we need a “civilian national security force just as strong, powerful and well-funded as our military.”

Is this the service indoctrination speech? Something else? 

This is a President who believes in community above individuals and its clear in the talking points sent out to schools.

Obama is a follower of Saul Alinsky who wrote “Rules for Radicals”.

Alinsky held these views of organizing and “transforming” where teachers and education are concerned:

Alinsky believes that the teacher association’s real power base is not in the teachers, but in the community.  He does not see our task of organizing them as any different from those of his own community organizers.

Because he sees the teacher’s power base outside the membership and in the community, Alinsky offers a straight line route to organization of that power base

In other words, what Alinsky is looking at, is not the membership, but access teachers have to the community.  He sees that as a powerful weapon with which to organize. 

Is this part of Obama’s plans to reach the children to get to the adults like he is doing on the census?

Take a look at teacher talking points that are being distributed to accompany Dear Leader’s push for the mind of your kids on September 8….you decide what Obama is trying to teach your children without your participation and, likely, without the knowledge of many parents.

  Excerpts:

“Teachers can build background knowledge about the President of the United States and his speech byreading books about presidents and Barack Obama and motivate students by asking questions.”

….What is the President trying to tell me?
What is the President asking me to do?
What new ideas and actions is the President challenging me to think about?…..

……Students can record important parts of the speech where the President is asking them to do something.  Students might think about: What specific job is he asking me to do? Is he asking anything of anyone else?  Teachers? Principals? Parents? The American People?…..

……What do you think the President wants us to do?
Does the speech make you want to do anything?
Are we able to do what President Obama is asking of us?…..

…..Teachers can have students:
Create posters of their goals……It makes sense to focus on personal and academic so COMMUNITY and country goals come more readily……

What right does Obama have to tell my kids what their involvement in community should be?  What right does he have to ask ANY of our kids to do anything?

It’s one thing, as President, to go into ONE classroom and read a book to students…it’s quite another to take your “community organizing” propaganda to our kids in public school.

Kids are very impressionable, especially K through 6, which is why, I believe this is where this speech is targeted. Kids listen to their authority figures at school.

Call your school and tell them not to participate.

 UPDATE 9/1/09:

More at DailyPaul.com and MichelleMalkin.com.

UPDATE #2 9/1/09:

Of course, liberals will ask, “What is the big deal?” …..while even your less-informed friends may not give it a thought….well the reasons not to involve your kids is summed up nicely at AmericanElephant.com :

Now the former Community Organizer and current President of the United States is making an unprecedented speech to the school children of our nation.  I’d like to believe his motives were pure and politics didn’t play into this.  But viewing this administration’s track record doesn’t afford such benefit of the doubt.  When the President browbeats property owners who want to protect their legal rights… when the President admits he doesn’t know the facts but impugns the integrity of a police force… when the President calls me a liar for reporting what is actually in the health care bills and encourages my neighbors to report me to some enemies list… when the President apologizes to nations around the world and bows to a Saudi king… he loses the benefit of the doubt.  As a socialist who has surrounded himself with Marxist and racist radicals all of his life, he loses the benefit of the doubt.

Without benefit of the doubt, the President doesn’t get to speak to my children unchallenged.  Surely we can’t trust the school system to challenge him.  Surely we can’t trust the school system to protect the interest and rights of parents.  So on September 8, 2009, when President Obama seeks an unprecedented audience with the nation’s youth, I would have no choice but to deny him access to my child.

Parents, you are responsible for your children.  You are responsible for teaching them right and wrong, instilling personal responsibility and an understanding of the founding of our nation.  It is your job to raise your children, not the federal government.  And when a socialist with a radical agenda seeks an audience with them, it is your job, not the school’s, to protect them.  It is your values that should be taught to your children, not the political agenda of any President or any political party.  If you can’t be there to watch the President’s address with your children and challenge them on the content immediately afterward, then it is also your job to consider keeping them out of school that day.

UPDATE #3 9/2/09: 

FoxNews.com is now covering this: Critics Decry Obama’s “Indoctrination” plan for Students.

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43 Responses

  1. Ok, now you’re just making Obama out as an intrinsic evildoer. What exactly is wrong with him giving a message to youngsters everywhere to “focus on personal and academic so community and country goals come more readily”?

    Isn’t that what we’re trying to do in this country? Focus on improving ourselves individually so that we can improve our community and country at large?

    What right does Obama have to tell my kids what their involvement in community should be? What right does he have to ask ANY of our kids to do anything?

    If your kids are in public schools, which are funded by the US government, then Obama is, in fact, their boss. He very much has the right to speak to schools and everyone in them.

  2. magsol,

    Here’s the big difference between mind-numbed Obama liberals and conservatives.

    you said, “If your kids are in public schools, which are funded by the US government, then Obama is, in fact, their boss. He very much has the right to speak to schools and everyone in them.”

    Those public schools are funded by me and I pay for them. OBAMA IS NOT THEIR BOSS, MY BOSS, OR ANYONE’S BOSS. He was elected by citizens to serve them, not “boss” them.

    (Of course, Obama believes like you and believes he is our ruler)

    Good Grief….the US Government is funded by you and me…it is not some gravy train for Obama to propagandize in the public schools.

    Given Obama’s track record on community propaganda, I don’t want him talking to my IMPRESSIONABLE children about his “community” efforts.

    I have the right to KNOW what he will talk about, the right to stop it if I want to, and the right to excuse my chilldren from it if I wish.

    Remember the founders and conservatives versus liberals discussion we had on the other post? This is a great example.
    The founders never believed that government was the boss….they ran away and fought against big boss, the King.
    Citizens were to be the arbiters of their own destiny with limited government, freedom and liberty.

    “President as Boss” was the furthest thing from the founders’ intentions of our country!

  3. “President as Boss” was the furthest thing from the founders’ intentions of our country!

    I absolutely agree. But the fact is the office of the president is the highest executive office in the country (and was designed that way by the founders). What you are referring to is abuse of that executive power (which is why the founders of this nation built in checks and balances). Obama dictating the budgets and activities and curricula of schools – while still within his rights as the country’s foremost executive! – would qualify as an abuse of power. It’s the Department of Education’s job to directly oversee public schooling in this country.

    (Of course, Obama believes like you and believes he is our ruler)

    Twist my words and beliefs all you want. If you want to pull your children out of school for Obama’s announcements, you certainly have the right to do so. I just fail to see how any of what I said to this end in my previous comment would be poisonous to our children.

  4. magsol,

    There are several fallacious assumptions you are promoting. They are fundamental to the statist ideology, but are not part of the Constitution or even Federal statute:

    1. The Federal government, and by extension, the President is somehow the “boss” of the country, or the schools. The Constitution gives the Federal government certain roles and authority, but referring to the President as the “boss” of the public schools is absurd. Frankly, I thought you were smarter than that.

    2. Although Federal dollars supplement in many cases, the public schools are funded primarily via local tax dollars. In many states, the local public schools are funded DIRECTLY from property tax receipts in the district where the students live and attend school.

    3. Your first two suppositions infers a third…the Federal government owns the wealth of this country and dols it out as it sees fit. Although government recent actions might make the casual observer think that is the case, it is actually the PEOPLE’s wealth, collected via taxation. The government is supposed to be the steward of the people’s wealth, but I can see how you might be confused.

    Finally, a civics lesson for you. The only thing the President is the “boss” of is the Executive Branch. After that, his influence begins to drop off rapidly. As a member of the military, I would fall under his authority as Commander-in-Chief. If he wants to speak to ME as a member of the armed forces, then I must listen. If I work within another part of the Executive Branch, then I must also listen.

    After that, it’s ALL voluntary

  5. Obama is not the boss of the children in Public Schools. If he is the boss of anything it’s the teachers. He is not our Boss. He answers to the citizens of the United States. He also swore to uphold the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Too bad he is doing neither.

    With a Boss like him we will all be in the death camps soon enough. Glad my kids are not going to school that day. Is that racist? Are you going to report me? Who cares; it’s a free country – at least today.

  6. One thing you have ALL neglected to mention….NO WHERE in the Constitution does it give the government the “right” to be in the business of education! NOWHERE!!!

    And another thing, what takes place in the government schools is “schooling” NOT education.
    They are busy turning out good little worker bees that never THINK for themselves but always believe what comes out of their god…”Government”!

  7. Obama – is NO ONE”S BOSS – if fact, he is nothing more than an elected official who IS MY EMPLOYEE. In which, I think he deserves NO protection through secret service and is on the verge of receiving a pink slip.

  8. Thank God my children are grown! If they weren’t, they would not go to school on Sept 8.

  9. Jan –
    Exactly….I had that same thought last night. I believe the education system should be privatized and get government out!

  10. TL –
    Let’s hope he gets the pink slip sooner rather than later.
    It’s a Constitution-shredding effort every day, if not more, with this guy in office.

  11. I just called my elementary school to find out if they will be airing this on my child’s first day of school, Sept. 8th. The secretary did not know what I was talking about and had to put me on hold to ask others. She came back and supposedly no one was aware of the President’s address on Sept. 8th. I told her that I was concerned about the message and content and that I viewed it as taking away from valuable instruction time.

    We’ll see what happens….

  12. I am just glad the my family has been blessed enough to home school our children. They Obama is going after the youth reminds me of anther “community organizer” in 1930s Germany, or the other in 1840s Russia.

  13. Looks like the address is at 12 noon ET on Sept. 8th, and my kids only have a 1/2 day, so they will be out of school by then.

    Called my local Board of Education, and they are unaware of this Presidential address to public school kids….hmmm.

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  15. I cannot believe that a President that FINALLY shows interest in our children is being ‘hung out to dry’ in this way. I think it is a wonderful thing that our children will have an opportunity to hear our President speak directly to them. If you truly believe that he is deliberately infecting the minds of your children with propaganda you are being very ignorant. You also must be quite incapable as a parent if you really think that a speach that lasts at a maximum of 1 hour will affect your childrens’ entire view of the world. You as a parent are responsible for instilling morals into your children and you are also responsible for teaching them to be open minded and that all views should be assessed before making good decisions. It sounds to me like some parents need to spend a little more time with their kids!

  16. Hopeful Gal,

    you said, “You as a parent are responsible for instilling morals into your children and you are also responsible for teaching them to be open minded and that all views should be assessed before making good decisions.”

    EXACTLY. So why does Obama feel the need to do what NO OTHER President felt the need to do? Why does he feel the need to “instill his morals” into our kids? Especially since we agree that is a parent’s job?

    Just so you know, the DOE information says the following about Obama’s speech:
    “In advance of this address, the Department of Education is providing resources developed by and for teachers to help engage students and stimulate discussion “about persisting and succeeding in school.”

    Here is some of the content of the above-mentioned “resources” provided:

    What specific job is he asking me to do? Is he asking anything of anyone else? Teachers? Principals? Parents? The American People?…..

    …build background knowledge about the President of the United States and his speech byreading books about presidents and Barack Obama

    ,,,,Why is it important that we listen to the President and other elected officials, like the mayor, senators, members of congress, or the governor? Why is what they say important?

    …What is the President trying to tell me?
    What is the President asking me to do?
    What new ideas and actions is the President challenging me to think about?

    ,,,,Teachers could ask students to share the ideas they recorded, exchange sticky notes or stick notes on a butcher paper poster in the classroom to discuss main ideas from the speech, i.e. citizenship, personal responsibility, civic duty.

    …Students could discuss their responses to the following questions:
    What do you think the Presidentwants us to do?
    Does the speech make you want to do anything?
    Are we able to do what President Obama is asking of us?
    What would you like to tell the President?

    ….Create posters of their goals. Posters could be formatted in quadrants or puzzle pieces or trails marked with the labels: personal, academic, community, country.Each area could be labeled with three steps for achieving goals in those areas.

    Do you get the drift? The innocuous announcement mentions only that Obama will talk to kids about “succeeding in school”. However, if you dig deeper the talking points are largely about Obama, the President, community, and discussing what the President wants them to do and how they’ll help him.

    you said, “If you truly believe that he is deliberately infecting the minds of your children with propaganda you are being very ignorant. “

    If Obama weren’t so good at propaganda, you’re name likely wouldn’t be “HOPEful Gal”. Sounds to me like the HOPE n CHANGE advertising slogan worked like a charm on you. The reality behind that propaganda is that the biggest HOPE for many people right now is that Obama doesn’t sink our economy even further than he has and the CHANGE we are looking for is cleaning out the Far Left, corrupt White House and compliant Congress! But I digress.

    Finally, if you don’t believe that Obama wants to get a specific message out to kids that is more about him and his “community over individual” morality then think about this. Supposedly his speech is about success and academics, but…..

    The supporting study documentation sent out to teachers contains these words followed by the number of times used in the documentation:

    Success, Succeeding, Succeed – 0 (zero)
    Persist, Persisting, Persistence – 0 (zero)
    Academic, Academics – 0 (zero)
    Education – 2 times (plus once used in Dept of Education!)

    But the following do appear, some numerous times:

    President or Obama – 18 times
    Do (in the sense of “doing” something) – 8 times
    Community – 3 times
    Duty – 1 time
    Civic – 1 time

    Score?
    Community and “duty” Propaganda/Obama personality worship – 31
    Education and Success – 2

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  18. I have to say Obama will stick his hand anywhere he can just to promote his agenda. I don’t appreciate a president or any other official that is willing to do what he has done. I mean how can a man with the obvious bad connections in his life be able to gain such political power and position. He should have never been involed with public office in the first p[lace.

  19. Hopeful gal,
    Your comment infuriates me. It is clear you feel you have been enlightened. You are incredibly naive and represent part of the coalition of fawning idiots who elected this charlatan. He will not attain his objectives, which clearly are to subvert the culture and heritage of America through idiots like you and our impressionable youth.

  20. “You also must be quite incapable as a parent if you really think that a speach that lasts at a maximum of 1 hour will affect your childrens’ entire view of the world.”

    This SPEECH is going to last an HOUR? I’d open a vein after 15 minutes…anything more than 10 minutes, regardless of the message, would be child abuse.

  21. Actually I did NOT vote for Obama, but I do respect the office of the President and I do think that addressing our children in a speech is a great way to get the future generation interested in politics.

    Please keep in mind that your children are influenced on a daily basis by people (i.e. teachers, relatives, etc.) who do not have the same views as you do. I think it is up to parents to guide their children to ensure they make good decisions, both in daily life and in their politcal and moral views.

    History Student, I do not mean to infuriate anyone by my comment, but I think it is important that everyone try to really focus on what type of influence the speech will REALLY have on their children in the long-term. Probably not much….

    Besides that, I happen to teach my children that they should DO things to help their COMMUNITY. I also believe that everyone lucky enough to be born an American should feel a sense of urgency to serve their country. I do not necessarily mean joining the armed forces. There are many ways to serve your CIVIC DUTY by joining the PTA at your child’s school, attending city council meetings, voting, or just cleaning a community play ground.

    My worry for the children who will regretfully not be attending school that day is that they will only learn disrepect towards our country and our government. This only breeds hate and not acceptance. This only breeds closed mindedness and not mutual respect for others’ views.

    Call me naive if you must and assume that the word HOPE in my screen name anything to do with Obama, but regardless of your opinion I will continue to be hopeful for the futures of American children, open minded so my children will learn to be accepting of others, and respectful of our President so my children will learn to be respectful of America as a country.

  22. just a couple question?? how can parents be so irresponsible as to think that this speech obama is going to give to the children is legit?? have you read anything about him and his background?? have you totaly overlooked the fact that this country is falling apart and fast!!! have you not seen or heard anything about the people he associates with or the piss poor decisions he has made since being in office?? his job is not to control!!! he is suppose to be making america a better place and keep our children safe, not brain wash them to believe his own personal views but to help guide them to make their own conclusions. why is it people can be so ignorant to the facts!!! hello people open your eyes!!! this country is crumbling fast!!! instead of following like sheep get up and take a stand be a leader and realize that this country was founded on God and until it gets back that way we are all doomed!!! oh yea and yes this is my own opinion and as far as i can tell my opinion along with millions of others our country can succeed just like it always has.

  23. Hopeful Gal,
    Thanks for your second response…

    The problem most people have with the President giving this speech is:
    1) Because this President has shown himself to be extremely partisan, he is surrounded by Marxists and Communists now and through his life, and he was a professional community organizer. His speech supporting documents are heavy on the community and duty and “Helping Obama” rhetoric.
    2) It is not the President’s place to instill his values about community and service on kids at school. And to do it where the kids are forced to watch and participate. If President Bush had done the same thing and spoke about how Jesus was a large part of his life and how the Lord influenced his views on helping others, serving your church and community, and succeeding in life…..and then sending out materials asking questions about “What can you do to help President Bush? What new ideas can you learn from what the President said?”….Would you, hopeful gal, be OK with that too?
    3) You may be correct that Obama’s words in the speech may not stick with the kids for years…..BUT the supporting documentation geared to Obama and community “duty” coupled with some of the Left-leaning school boards and teachers in our system will lead to big discussions about “helping our President”, serving communitites, and filling kids heads with the political opinions of those teachers.
    4) You are right that parents should teach and show kids about volunteering, helping and sense of community responsibility….in their own home and in their own way. And community service should not be mandated by our government or anyone else… However, Obama has shown great interest in FORCED “voluntary” service through AmeriCorps and others groups. A bill was signed last spring to increase the funding for such efforts by an order of magnitude. Do you really believe that a speech from the President on helping and community won’t be geared to filling our kids heads with his sense of “forced volunteering”? Many others of us do.

    I agree kids should learn to respect their country and its government. Wouldn’t it be better idea then to spend that hour or afternoon actually studying the words of our Founders instead of the words of a highly partisan President?

  24. Concerned parent–
    I am with you 100%

  25. I am sure I will receive flak for my next statement, but I am Agnostic, however, my children attend church and are Christian because they choose to be. I do not attend church with them, however, they attend with other members of my family. That being said, I have no issues with a President expressing his beliefs with the public. I teach my children about all religions and beliefs and they are surrounded every day at school by people, both teachers and students, of all religions. Therefore, if Bush were to address a speech to our children and mention Christianity, I would have no problem with it.

    I do not believe that anyone can FORCE anyone else to do certain things or believe a certain way. Of course I believe there are many things and people that influence our children, however, I also believe that everyone has the right to their own beliefs and they have a right to express those beliefs. Free speech is not limited to just you and I, the President is afforded those rights, as well, as an American citizen.

    I understand that you feel that forcing the children of America to watch Obama’s speech in school seems forced, but as you and others have commented, you will remove your children from school on that day. Aren’t we lucky to live in such a place where choices are not only allowed, but encouraged?

    As far as “forced volunteering”, what do you think armed forces advertising is for? The government’s budget for such advertising from 2006-2011 is $1.35 billion dollars. They even use rock music in the ads to appeal to the 18-24 demographic. I remember when I was 18, and as I was, I am sure you were impressionable then, as well. Yet nothing has been said about those advertisements. It is as if you are saying, “Please don’t attempt to ask our children to have a sense of community, but please do appeal to them so they can die for our country.”

    None of what I have said is in anger, but in sadness. I love my children very much and I have a very large family. My home is where the neighborhood kids congregate because my husband and I enjoy watching them play outside and inviting them, along with their parents, to dinner every weekend. I am a typical American with values and good morals. I enjoy a good debate and I think this is what our great country was founded upon.

    For now, sharprightturn, I think we will have to agree to disagree.

  26. Hopeful Gal,
    Thanks again for commenting…nothing wrong with stating your views here….If I disagree, however, I will be pretty strong in saying so…nonetheless, I appreciate your comments.

    “Of course I believe there are many things and people that influence our children, however, I also believe that everyone has the right to their own beliefs and they have a right to express those beliefs. Free speech is not limited to just you and I, the President is afforded those rights, as well, as an American citizen.”

    Many people influence our children, but who those people are is up to the parents, not the President nor the Department of Education.
    Obama is certainly afforded free speech, but he was also elected to represent ALL of the people, not just those who lean his way. And, in some ways, as a leader he must be vigilantly aware of his influence and that he represents the United States of America, its values, its history, its ideals…..he is not meant to hold himself up as the savior of the world/country nor to demand respect only to his values and ideals.

    “Aren’t we lucky to live in such a place where choices are not only allowed, but encouraged?”

    That’s part of the point….we pay for the schools and the Department of Education….we should not HAVE to “choose” to remove our children from the very institutions for which we pay especially for a President hell-bent on “speaking” about his agenda to young minds. ….You know what real choice, as it pertains to education, would be as intended by our Founders? Abolish the Department of Education as it exists today and establish locally controlled free-market schools where REAL choice is available to all parents based on the performance, curriculum and quality of teachers!

    “As far as “forced volunteering”, what do you think armed forces advertising is for?”

    What?!? We have a VOLUNTARY defense force…nobody today is forced to join ..doesn’t even compare to Obama’s plans for forced community service.
    As far as the advertising, you can watch it, heed its call or not…..Impressionable or not, NO ONE is forcing you to join the military….PERIOD.

    Remember that choice you were referring to earlier? Well how do you think we obtained and have kept that freedom for well over 200 years? The American military. Since when did the honor and pride of serving in the defense of the United States become on par with a collectivist’s unconstitutional dream of forced community service in an effort to equalize, control production and distribution and eradicate freedom? That is the plan behind Obama’s FORCED volunteering ideas.

  27. Interestingly, no one is forcing you to volunteer, nor will that ever happen because the Constitution exists and it affords us certain rights. We all still have the right to question our government, stand to protest, and We the People are strong and have a great ability to sway the choices of our government and elected officials.

    It is obvious that my point regarding the armed forces was missed, because you must not have understood the bill that was signed. All it did was increase funding three fold to a wonderful organization such as AmeriCorps as well as other community organizations. These organizations are comprised of volunteers that serve the community to serve in the realm of education, public safety, and the environment. I do not see anything wrong with encouraging public service via these types of organizations. The issue of why these organizations were not able to do more for our community is because the funding was not available. (By the way, this was a bill that was greatly supported by both parties.)

    In the history of America it has always been important to speak of our civic duty, but since it is coming from a Democratic President it has been demonized by Conservatives. I am not necessarily surprised, and my only hope is that before securing a belief system based on what I say, this website says, or what anyone else says that each and every person will research the truth for themselves.

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  30. Hopeful Gal,
    “Interestingly, no one is forcing you to volunteer, “

    No, no yet. But with the GIVE/SERVE act , the original versions of the House Bill included language to investigate:
    (5) The effect on the Nation, on those who serve, and on the families of those who serve, if all individuals in the United States were expected to perform national service or were required to perform a certain amount of national service.

    There was certainly clear intent to look at possiblities for forcing/requiring all individuals to “serve”. Had light not been shed clearly on this wording by those who oppose it, it very well could have been the law of the land.

    BTW – that language still appears in a new bill, HR 1444: Congressional Commission on Civic Service Act , which was been submitted for consideration in the House back in March 2009.

    “All it did was increase funding three fold to a wonderful organization such as AmeriCorps as well as other community organizations. “

    Yes, the funding is now at $6 Billion during a recession that Obama is making worse everyday. And the increases were made even though the history of corruption in Americorps is known by our Congress and President.

    Let me tell you a little about “wonderful” Americorps and its tentacles in the political world.

    Obama recently fired overnight and smeared the Americorps Inspector General overnight. This IG was investigating an Obama friend (Johnson) who used $900,000 of Americorps funds for his own personal and political use. Seems to me if Obama wants Americorps to succeed in promoting “civic duty” he would keep a nonpartisan watchdog in place to make it happen.

    Since its inception, Americorps has been used at times for government purposes and propaganda.
    As reported by Michelle Malkin last spring, “AmeriCorps “volunteers” have been put to work lobbying against the voter-approved three-strikes anti-crime initiative in California and protesting Republican political events while working for the already heavily-tax-subsidized liberal advocacy group ACORN.”

    They’ve also been involved with lobbying activities and pushing welfare onto citizens at taxpayer expense.
    “Citizens Against Government Waste, the D.C. watchdog, also documented national service volunteers lobbying for rent control, expanded federal housing subsidies, and enrollment of more women in the Women, Infants, and Children welfare program. AmeriCorps volunteers have also been paid to shuffle paper at the Department of Justice, the Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, the Legal Services Corporation, and the National Endowment for the Arts.

    The potential for corruption in these types of programs is rampant.
    Is it civic duty (your word) for these groups to lobby against one political party ?
    Is it civic duty to have Americorps “volunteers” represent one view or another on a ballot issue?
    Is it civic duty to expand subsidies and welfare roles with the help of Americorps?
    Is it civic duty to tie programs like Americorps with a criminal group like ACORN?
    (A Senate amendment to keep Americorps funds from being handed over to ACORN was defeated in the GIVER/SERVE act… wonder why since ACORN has many members and leaders convicted of fraud and other crimes?)

    Civic Duty is fine. Bills passed (with consent of either party–I don’t care) for increasing funding for groups that have shown to be less-than-honorable in developing a sense of civic duty are not.

    Civic duty is honorable and it is our responsible to give back to our country and society. But where is the line drawn between what I, as an individual, am responsible for in “giving back” voluntarily with my time, money, and effort….and what the government requires or pays (with taxpayer money) someone else to do for society? Is the government version really a duty or just a manner of funneling taxpayer money to the government cause du jour?

  31. Don’t get mad at me… It’s not my fault you are selfish!

  32. Hopeful Gal,

    Now that’s funny….does it mean I’m angry to lay out some facts and ask a few rhetorical questions to refute your logic?

    Now I’m ignorant AND selfish….for refuting, with facts, Obama’s unicorn rainbow civic duty endeavors with our kids and Americorps..

    Facts are stubborn things.

  33. @GBS:

    1) Ok, in reading over the cascade of comments since mine, including yours, I see that my use of the term “boss” has been grossly misinterpreted. My point in the original statement was to show the connection between the President and public schools across this country, not to infer some mythical direct oversight of said schools by said President. Everything you mentioned in #1 is accurate, including the jab at my intelligence.

    2) No arguments there. I never implied anything about the proportions of state vs federal taxes used to fund public schools, only that as public schools, they fall under the umbrella of the DoE.

    3) That would be true, if we had a monarchy. I actually agree wholeheartedly with this point as well, though the fact that I fail to see how my previous two points inferred this third one either reflects inherent unstated assumptions on both our parts that are preventing us from fully understanding each other, or your comment about me being confused is also valid.

    Contrary to what my previous comments apparently implicate, I am aware of the President’s role within our form of government. Again, my original point was merely to point out the hierarchy of our public offices – schools to DoE to Capitol Hill to President – which I can’t exactly say is refuted even in agreeing with you that Obama’s responsibilities drop off rapidly outside the immediate confines of the Executive Branch.

    As seems to be the pattern, there isn’t a single point of yours with which I take issue.

  34. It seems that your facts are skewed by closed mindedness. Try reading something OTHER than your conservative rhetoric.

    It seems that you have forgotten that the bill also supports the Learn and Serve program (go ahead and make a crack at the word ‘Serve’. I am expecting that.). This is a program where in addition to their studies students also are encouraged to volunteer in their community. Even if this becomes “required” in school, I do not believe that is such a bad thing. Not only should teachers teach students about math and reading, they should teach them social skills and civic responsibility. What better way than volunteering in your community?

    Again, ma’am, we will have to agree to disagree. I must go now as I have a PTA meeting to attend…

  35. Hopeful Gal,

    You haven’t refuted one of my facts. And the one conservative that I referenced above, Michelle Malkin, was critical about Republicans who voted for the GIVE/SERVE boondoggle, just as she was the Democrats.

    This conversation started with Obama’s “community” speech to kids and evolved to forced “volunteer” service. I have laid out where just such a concept has been considered at the highest levels of our government.

    In return, you’ve responded with calling me ignorant, selfish and close-minded.

    Volunteering is just that…..it is not something people are forced to do. While the idea of duty and volunteering for your community is great and should be considered by all citizens, it simply is not up to the government nor the schools to force it.

    While some efforts of various groups and even the government in the area of volunteering may be noble, much of what has transpired with Americorps and other government groups is corruption and money-funneling for groups to do the government’s bidding.

    That is why volunteerism should be advocated and opportunities provided by parents, family, church and local communities.

  36. Here’s another attempt at brainwashing/recruiting our young kids over to the socialist mindset. Take note in this video of the comment about “I pledge to serve Barack Obama”. Since when do we serve our president? Don’t we pledge allegience to the United State of America??

    http://www.thefoxnation.com/culture/2009/09/02/parents-upset-over-leftist-propaganda-video

  37. sorry…I meant United States of America

  38. Jeebus…you people are a hoot! How do you assholes sleep at night, what with all those socialist boogeyman running around, trying to brainwash your mongoloid children? What a bunch of ignorant, pathetic douchebags.

  39. Larry,

    Spoken like a true Oba-believer with limited vocabulary.

  40. Limited vocabulary? WTF is Oba-believer? You morons can’t even coin new words right. Your intellect is so limited you have to make up “words”. It must really suck to be so wrong so often. Sometimes I pity you knuckle-draggers….until I remember how you morons acted the past 8 years while the Miserable Failure was president, and then I have nothing but contempt and derision for you. Sooooooo…here’s a hearty screw you asshole.

  41. Larry,

    I think you need anger management classes.

  42. Naw…I just need know-nothing idiots to STFU about stuff they don’t know anything about and quit crying like friggin’ babies about the evul socialist nazi communist jihadi Obama because they’re still in denial that their candidate lost. To borrow a wingnut phrase of yore…Get over it! Pfffftt………

  43. Larry,

    Oh, so sorry … Guess, I’ll just shut my little “don’t know nuthin'” self up so you can continue showing us your “command” of the facts.

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