Ayers and Obama: Partners in indoctrination of Resistance and Radical Activism through “education”


Stanley Kurtz has released an article summarizing what he found in the documents and notes from the education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC).  These documents were archived at the University of Illinois-Chicago.

A primer on CAC from Kurtz:  “The Chicago Annenberg Challenge was created ostensibly to improve Chicago’s public schools. The funding came from a national education initiative by Ambassador Walter Annenberg. In early 1995, Mr. Obama was appointed the first chairman of the board, which handled fiscal matters. Mr. Ayers co-chaired the foundation’s other key body, the “Collaborative,” which shaped education policy.”

The CAC was the brainchild of William Ayers.  Before I go further into the proof (by Kurtz) that Obama and Ayers have “exchanged ideas on a regular basis” and are not “just neighbors”, I want to clearly lay out the person that is William Ayers.   As you read about Ayers, please keep in mind this is a man that Obama knows well, has served with, and someone with whom he has shared ideas, and arguably, ideology.

(AP Photo)

Bill Ayers - NOW (AP Photo)

William Ayers is the domestic terrorist who bombed the US Capitol and is unrepentant to this day.  He is an anti-American, Communist and Marxist who believes that America’s government and capitalist society must be destroyed.

Here is an outline of Ayers belief system from Wikipedia:

Ayers characterized his political beliefs …….in the 1960s and 1970s: “I am a radical, Leftist, small ‘c’ communist … [Laughs] Maybe I’m the last communist who is willing to admit it. [Laughs] We have always been small ‘c’ communists in the sense that we were never in the [Communist] party and never Stalinists. The ethics of Communism still appeal to me. I don’t like Lenin as much as the early Marx. I also like Henry David Thoreau, Mother Jones and Jane Addams […]”

In 1970 Ayers was called “a national leader” of the Weatherman organization and “one of the chief theoreticians of the Weathermen”.……..Their founding document called for the establishment of a “white fighting force” to be allied with the “Black Liberation Movement” and other “anti-colonial” movements to achieve “the destruction of US imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism.”

Now some of Ayers “achievements”:

Bill Ayers THEN - Mugshot (AP)

Bill Ayers THEN - Mugshot (AP)

……Later in 1969, Ayers participated in planting a bomb at a statue dedicated to police casualtiesin the 1886 Haymarket Riot. The blast broke almost 100 windows and blew pieces of the statue onto the nearby Kennedy Expressway. (The statue was rebuilt and unveiled on May 4, 1970, and blown up again by other Weathermen on October 6, 1970. Built yet again, the city posted a 24-hour police guard to prevent another blast.) Ayers participated in the Days of Rage riot in Chicago in October 1969, and in December was at the “War Council” meeting in Flint, Michigan.

In 1970 he “went underground” with several associates after the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion………….Ayers was not facing criminal charges at the time, but the federal government later filed charges against him.

Ayers participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, the United States Capitol building in 1971, and The Pentagon in 1972, as he noted in his 2001 book, Fugitive Days.

If you can believe it, the federal charges were dropped against Ayers years ago….and he is now a Distinguished Professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, College of Education.  (I am not sure what the qualifications for Distinguished are, but I don’t think Ayers fits the bill… One thing is for sure, my kids will never attend the University of Illinois.)

One other fact to note:  Bill Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn hosted a campaign kick-off party of sorts for Barack Obama in 1995.  The celebration was at the home of Ayers/Dohrn and began the Obama Illinois Senate Campaign.

Now for the information that Kurtz has acquired from the CAC archives.  Kurtz’s summary makes clear that Obama and Ayers were clearly  more than neighbors or acquaintances.   One could also conclude, as I do, that Obama’s “education” policy will have a similar goal in indoctrinating much like Ayers outlined for the CAC project. 

Evidence leads to the fact that Ayers specifically picked Obama to lead the project. 

From Kurtz:

The Daley archives show that Mr. Obama and Mr. Ayers worked as a team to advance the CAC agenda………… the Obama campaign issued a statement saying that Mr. Ayers had nothing to do with Obama’s “recruitment” to the board. The statement says Deborah Leff and Patricia Albjerg Graham (presidents of other foundations) recruited him. Yet the archives show that, along with Ms. Leff and Ms. Graham, Mr. Ayers was one of a working group of five who assembled the initial board in 1994. Mr. Ayers founded CAC and was its guiding spirit. No one would have been appointed the CAC chairman without his approval.

……..The Daley documents (archives) show that Mr. Ayers sat as an ex-officio member of the board Mr. Obama chaired through CAC’s first year. He also served on the board’s governance committee with Mr. Obama, and worked with him to craft CAC bylaws. Mr. Ayers made presentations to board meetings chaired by Mr. Obama. Mr. Ayers spoke for the Collaborative before the board. Likewise, Mr. Obama periodically spoke for the board at meetings of the Collaborative.

One also has to draw the conclusion that Obama did not agree to chair a foundation for which he did not agree with the philosophy or its tactics.    It is clear what Ayers’ educational philosophy was (and, presumably, remains his philosophy as a professor):

The CAC’s agenda flowed from Mr. Ayers’s educational philosophy, which called for infusing students and their parents with a radical political commitment, and which downplayed achievement tests in favor of activism. In the mid-1960s, Mr. Ayers taught at a radical alternative school, and served as a community organizer in Cleveland’s ghetto.

In works like “City Kids, City Teachers” and “Teaching the Personal and the Political,” Mr. Ayers wrote that teachers should be community organizers dedicated to provoking resistance to American racism and oppression.

…….Mr. Ayers’s defenders claim that he has redeemed himself with public-spirited education work. That claim is hard to swallow if you understand that he views his education work as an effort to stoke resistance to an oppressive American system. He likes to stress that he learned of his first teaching job while in jail for a draft-board sit-in. For Mr. Ayers, teaching and his 1960s radicalism are two sides of the same coin.

Mr. Ayers is the founder of the “small schools” movement (heavily funded by CAC), in which individual schools built around specific political themes push students to “confront issues of inequity, war, and violence.” He believes teacher education programs should serve as “sites of resistance” to an oppressive system.(His teacher-training programs were also CAC funded.) The point, says Mr. Ayers in his “Teaching Toward Freedom,” is to “teach against oppression,” against America’s history of evil and racism, thereby forcing social transformation.

I have blogged before about the efforts to which Barack Obama will go in an effort to silence those who state the obvious…that Obama and Ayers willfully worked together for years.  Obama participated in the ideology of Bill Ayers……Kurtz writes, in conclusion:

The Obama campaign has cried foul when Bill Ayers comes up, claiming “guilt by association.” Yet the issue here isn’t guilt by association; it’s guilt by participation. As CAC chairman, Mr. Obama was lending moral and financial support to Mr. Ayers and his radical circle. That is a story even if Mr. Ayers had never planted a single bomb 40 years ago.

How can anyone support a radical, community organizer named Barack Obama who willfully participated in efforts to bring down America’s capitalist system from within by indoctrinating young minds to a cause of radical activism, social uprising and resistance?

From this information, there are at least two questions everyone needs to ask about an Obama Presidency:

1) If Obama can willfully participate in a somewhat clandestine effort to undermine the government/system of this country from within (through indoctrination, the teaching of radical “organizing” and resistance), what else will he do to sabotage the foundations, systems, and traditions of government?

2) If Obama willfully participated in and led an educational doctrine that says education is about radicalizing individuals and promoting activism against our government versus achievement, what do you think his education plans and policies will include?

(Others blogging about this: Protein Wisdom’s O!bama Doodles! and HotAir’s The Obama-Ayers connection: Chicago Annenberg Challenge.)

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24 Responses

  1. You love writing about Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers. What about the Keating Five? What about the Alaskan Independence Party(which I know Sarah Palin wasn’t a part of – but her husband was). Todd Palin was(or still is) associated with an organization that wants to secede from the union.
    AND
    Sarah Palin was MARRIED to Todd Palin when he joined the party. Heck, she even addressed their convention.

    William Ayers was associated with a terrorist organization.
    BUT
    Obama associated with Ayers YEARS AFTER he had left the Weatherman terrorist group.

    You can ignore your candidates’ flaws all you want. I’ve looked at both sides – and made my choice. You made your decision when you registered Republican.

    I’m sure you’re sick of me by now… but there’s just too much Hannity going on here. It’s fun to be your Colmes. See you around!

  2. FWP,
    Frankly I don’t care how you vote. And if I’m Hannity, your a liberal troll from the KOS who claims to be Independent.

    Funny how you can’t refute any of the information on Obama….you have to spout some innocuous exagerrated detail about Palin and her family.

    FYI, Sarah Palin has always been registered as a Republican. Her husband was registered with the Independence Party for about 7 years.
    It has been recorded, however, that he never was actively involved in the party. He attended one convention of the party. He is now undeclared and not involved with the AIP.
    Sarah Palin addressed the party in 2008 by video, she attended in 2006 while campaigning for governor and attended earlier in 2000 as mayor.

    Obama actively participated in and led a group developed by a domestic terrorist who wishes to use the program for indoctrination and as a means to damage our country from within. Obama led the program and ACTIVELY participated in the efforts. (And I might add , he wishes not to talk about this relationship or his work at CAC. His campaign works to silence those who do.)

    While Alan Colmes seems to be a nice man, his debating and discernment skills are lacking…..
    So, if you think inactive assocation with a party in Alaska is worse than active participation with a known terrorist and his efforts to damage our country, then, yes, you are Alan Colmes.

  3. FWP,
    As far as Keating Five….funny you mention that….McCain was cleared by the Senate Ethics Committee of any wrongdoing….

    He was accused of bad judgment and McCain has acknowledged his bad judgment since then.

    The other four involved were Democrats, three of them charged!

    I guess it is the seriousness of the charge, not innocence, that matters to you.

  4. Why do I have to defend Obama? He’s never been criminally charged with any of the things you post. McCain was.

    McCain acknowledged bad judgement… funny, I recall one of your posts entitled “…You can question Obama’s judgement now…” Well, McCain’s judgement was questioned in legal proceedings. And he acknowledged it was bad judgement – just as you said. Sure other Dems were charged with crimes – but as you probably don’t associate every Republican with the actions of people like Mark Foley or Larry Craig – I don’t judge any group of people on the actions of a few.

    My point is, you can dig up as much dirt as you want – your candidates have just as many skeletons in the closet. And I don’t need, nor have I ever even read through this “Kos” that you keep referring to in alot of your posts. You know how I found your site? I googled Palin like alot of other people did. I thought I could find some good info on this site about her – but all I found were exaggerations of her flawlessness. Basically, here’s a breakdown of your posts:

    60% – Attack Obama
    35% – Raise up Palin
    4% – Attack the rest of the Dems
    1% – Oh, yeah, McCain’s on our ticket too

    Oh, and as far as innocence… OJ Simpson was “innocent” too.

  5. funwithpolitics,

    I know that you’ve been asked why someone should vote for Obama….and your response was in “hope of a change from Bush”.

    Can I ask you what Obama has said or done that gives you this hope? In all seriousness, just because McCain is running as the Republican party candidate, you have no admit that he works with both parties. Obama has no record of reaching across to the Republicans at all.

    In order for anything to really change, we need people in office (other than just the presidency) that will work together to make changes for us all to prosper. I do not think that McCain or Palin is flawless or hasn’t made mistakes in their time (they are human), but I cannot ignore some of Obama’s associations and lack of experience.

    Sincerely, what have you learned about Obama that leads you to think that he will bring a better change to America than McCain?

    Also, I would like to know, since you have experience in the military (thank you for your service by the way), who would you feel more comfortable with as your Commander – McCain or Obama?

    Sincerely.

  6. have to admit*

    Sorry for the typo.

  7. KDW, you’re an ambassador among the attack dogs of this blog.

    McCain has reached across the aisle, I’ll admit – but most of that legislation has been based around moderate agendas… not too dangerous to his party ties.

    My reason for voting for Obama is essentially tied to that simple remark I made: “…change from Bush…” I think we need a drastic departure from the course of the last 8 years. Bush almost seemed like he had his own agenda for America… one that both sides of the aisle should have had gripes with. However, the Repubican party favored its top dog through thick and thin and McCain(without repeating the well known percentage) went along with the Popular Kid(unpopular to the rest of the nation) for the most part. I’ve said it a couple of times now – I liked McCain alot back in 2000. But after the bashing his own party and the Conservatives gave him – he was really defanged and lost that “maverick” air about him. Unfortunately, he realized that if he really wanted to be in consideration for the top spot in his party AND potentially the nation – he’d have to behave a bit more.

    As for commander? McCain is the obvious choice… as a direct commanding officer, not necessarily as president. There are so many more sides to a presidency than its roll in the military. But just to explore your point, let’s look at the record of Presidents through the most important military times in our history(in other words – the major wars).

    Abraham Lincoln – he led us through the Civil War; with an almost negligable military career in which he served in a state militia during conflicts with Native Americans in the area, but saw no action.

    Franklin Roosevelt – no active duty military experience, but he served as Asst. Secretary of the Navy and as President through World War II

    Woodrow Wilson – President during World War I with no military experience.

    As I recall, we won all of those wars…. well, the first example depends on your state.

    LBJ and Nixon both had military careers – and led us through the debacle of the Vietnam War(wait, let me beat you to the attack of semantics – “it was more the fault of that gosh darn Dem, LBJ,” that’s what some of you might say, right? – and that has nothing to do with my point.

    But Bush Sr. got us through Desert Storm with no problem, and he had an excellent military record! Iraqi military v. US military – It’s like David v. Goliath, except instead of his trusty sling, David had a Nerf dart gun.

    Bush Jr. – well, you know his military record and you know where we’re at right now.

    Domestic issues have taken the forefront in this election and media attention has been wrenched away from Iraq, Afganistan, and Sarah Palin(that last item is much to Conservatives’ chagrin). I believe it was the last 8 years that led us to this crossroads in domestic and international crisis and so I think it’s time to move on. You can’t ignore Obama’s associations… I can’t ignore McCain’s association to Bush and the Republican party.

  8. FWP
    You wrote: “Why do I have to defend Obama?”

    If you are going to call me a liar and a racist in comments througout this blog, and claim Obama as the candidate most high….then I think you might need to defend your position and Obama’s ……but darnit that might require some facts about Obama that don’t quite match your adoration for The One. That is, of course, unless you want to vote for a Socialist candidate who gathers insight from rabid racist preachers, domestic terrorist agitators, and books by Alinsky.

    You wrote: “He’s never been criminally charged with any of the things you post. McCain was.”

    Again, the seriousness of a charge is all you are interesested in….not whether someone was actually found innocent or guilty.

    Yes, McCain admitted his judgement flaws from something that happened in the 1980’s.

    When has Obama explained anything about his time at CAC and partnering with an America-hating agitator?

    When has Obama explained why he called as his mentor a racist America-hating preacher whom Obama listened to for 20 years?

    When has Obama acknowedged regret in voting to let die those babies that lived after being aborted?

    I’ll answer those for you….never….because Obama’s arrogance and self-serving mission won’t allow it.

    You said: “My point is, you can dig up as much dirt as you want – your candidates have just as many skeletons in the closet.”

    That is pure BS and wishful thinking on your part. AGain, you can’t provide any positives on why anyone should vote for Obama and you won’t acknowledge any of his clearly questionable associations and positions. So you use some sort of moral equivalence to justify your candidate.

    On where you get your info….as far as I’m concerned, you can go to one of those “objective” blogs like Huffington Post, ABC News, MSNBC.com, NYTIMES, and Kos to get your Palin info….

    Your last statement is pretty telling…I guess that anytime McCain or anyone who disagrees with you is found innocent it is just because of their standing, race, etc. How arrogant….no wonder you relate to Obama.

  9. SRT

    How many times can I say it and how many times can you ignore it? You know that guy Bush? The guy you voted for twice? Where has he gotten us?

    Bush is like a scarlett letter on McCain’s chest. McCain should have disassociated himself from the Republican party and any political parties for that matter if he really wanted to be considered a maverick. But you don’t get to be President unless you’re a Republican or a Democrat.

    Did I call you a liar? When? I already said if you explained previous comments that you made, then I’d recant labeling you a racist and apologize… which I did. Here, I”ll do it again: I’m sorry I took out of context you calling a black man a thug.

    As for positives for voting for Obama? What do you want me to say? You want me to go over the history of his career? His experience? His voting record? Go look that up yourself. It’s all free info. I’ll start making the case for Obama when this blog starts making the case for McCain, instead of concentrating on reasons to vote against Obama and why Palin is so goshdarn likeable.

    As far as all those sites you mentioned(some more left than others) – nope, haven’t looked at any of ’em. It’d be like going to this site or watching Fox News to get “objective” views.

    And I guess I’m getting on your nerves because you and others with their right-wing blinders on have called me arrogant, uneducated, a blog troll, and full of crap. Sounds like pure Republican tactics – if you can’t beat ’em – sling mud at ’em.

    You know what, I have no problem with you disagreeing with me… it’s just fun seeing how fired up you get about me disagreeing with you. Sorry if I’m having to much fun with your politics.

    And your last comment above – are you telling me you thought OJ Simpson was innocent? No fiery response necessary – a simple yes or no will do. Call me arrogant(oh yeah, you did), but I thought he was guilty as heck… you know, like the rest of the world(excluding the jury of course).

  10. Funwithpolitics,

    Actually, I would like to clarify that I’m not an “another attack dog in this blog” but rather someone who would like to understand sincerely why someone would vote for Obama.

    I honestly feel that both parties have led us to the point that we are in economically among other areas. Bush himself did not cause all of the problems that have come about in the last 8 years. He’s dealt with multiple disasters, such as 9/11 and Katrina, that leads me to believe he’s done his best. Has he made mistakes? Yes. What president hasn’t though?

    Economically speaking, the Congress had a chance a few years ago to help prevent the increasing economic crisis we are now in, but did not. Both parties are responsible. To say that everything is a result of Bush himself is really kind of ignorant to say.

    That’s like saying Clinton was the president who balanced the budget. If one were to think that, they don’t know much about the time and effort it took to do it. He was president when it was balanced, but it took his presidency among a few before him working together to get that done.

    Bush didn’t cause the Iraqi war. Bush didn’t cause this huge bail out that just happened. He didn’t cause the gas prices to go up. Why should he be blamed for every single problem we’re facing?

    He shouldn’t. In my perspective, I think that both parties are responsible for it all. As far as the election coming up, I have to ask myself who is the best qualified, leaving out what party they represent. Heck, Ron Paul ran as a GOP candidate, but his agenda and record was more Democrat than Republican.

    Setting aside the party labels, I just think that you have to consider who is the best qualified.

    In all seriousness, what kind of changes is Obama proposing? I actually agree with you that Obama will be a “drastic departure” from Bush, but I think it is disastrous one myself.

  11. Hey FWP….
    If the shoe fits….

    Who is not listening?….I have said over and over I don’t care how you vote or if you disagree with me, but you still have not given any reasons to vote for Obama except anti-Bush propaganda.

    Last time I checked this is my blog….and if you don’t like what I write…don’t read.
    But certainly don’t come on here with empty answers and then try to tell everyone reading that you’ve said something over and over.

    The more I read of you…the more I DO understand why you will vote for Obama.

  12. I think some people have too much time on their hands today! 😉

  13. KDW – I meant you’re an ambassador of good will among these attack dogs – your comments, though in disagreement with mine, seem more calm and composed and I respect you for recognizing that there are two culprits in the problems we face – the Republicans and the Democrats(are you Independent too?). Unfortunately, the majority of the readers of this blog and its author feel that it’s as black and white as the Republicans are the good guys and the Democrats are the bad guys.

    George Bush’s problem is, he was at the driver’s seat for the last 8 years. There are certain things that a President can’t truly affect while in office, I understand that. But you can’t tell me that 8 years means nothing. He had the support of a Republican majority in Congress for six years of his term. Then the Dems took over for the last couple of years but he still had the power of veto which the Dems could not fight without a 2/3 majority – which they didn’t have if everyone voted along party lines. I think you’re underestimating the power of the presidency – especially a two term presidency.

    The Iraqi war was a war he asked for. He did not cause the PREMISE of the war, but he did start it. A member of Bush’s cabinet is asking for this huge bailout which thankfully hasn’t happened yet. And gas prices… well I don’t think the oil industry would ever have to worry about needing a bailout with this president in office.

    SRT – You are accusing me of propaganda? Nice to meet you pot, I’m the kettle.
    And please, no, no, no… I love what you write! It’s so creative!

    GBS – yeah, I got bored on my lunch break today.

  14. It is no secret that Obama hangs out with and has been heavily influenced by Anti-American people- we judge those by who they associate themselves with- his very own wife admitted until now, she was not proud of this country- though it sure did a lot for her. How scary is that? Obama doesn’t make me feel safe, he offers nothing other than change- because he doesn’t like the country he lives in- he doesn’t defend it or stand up for it- he wants to change it- he apparently doesn’t like religious folks with guns. News for you bud- that is how this country started- religious folks that had guns and knew how to use them. I like my country- if I wanted to change- I would move somewhere else. Mr. Obama- perhaps there is a better country for you- please find it!

    McCain- a war hero who sacrificed for the country he loves, has the country’s best interest at heart- doesn’t associate with and meet with those who want this country to fail, has a clue about how to fix our troubles with real ideas, what more can you want in a leader?

    As for President Bush- “No good deed goes unpunished”

  15. funwithpolitics,

    For further clarification, I don’t think that the bail out is a good idea at all. After hearing Bush speak tonight, I’m even more against it than I was. I don’t feel that it is my responsibility to pay for the greedy people who have caused this: both the lenders and the people who can’t afford the things they borrowed for.

    In fact, research shows that 93% of people are against this bail out, with both parties equally against it. However, I’m not going to put Bush down because I think it is a bad plan, but at least he is trying. This is such a huge problem that I think it will take more to get it fixed, obviously. His proposal is a step in the right direction of doing something quickly to get this problem under control.

    If it were me, I wouldn’t lend a hand to help these greedy people. If I can afford to live comfortably on what I have in the bank (which you would be very surprised), I think others can too. I just think that Americans, while blessed and fortunate to live in this country with all of its opportunities, are also the most greedy people on earth. People think that they “need” that new car or that huge house, but they don’t. Most people just get so into debt because they feel they “need” these things or because the media/world makes us all think we have to be a certain way to be successful.

    Some of us know better.

    By the way, I am a Republican. But, that doesn’t mean that I think Republicans are faultless. Both parties are in my eyes have equal amounts of skeletons in their closets. However, my values are Republican.

  16. Funwithpolitics,

    As far as I can remember, I honestly believe that in the days after 9/11, everyone was for getting those responsible for the attack and finding justice for those who were killed. I remember everyone, regardless of party, race, gender, etc……coming together and not only mourning the loss of our people, but also adament about getting justice for what happened.

    That’s what led us there. Bush didn’t just decide this himself; America did. As far as I know, we’re there to protect this country from terrorism. Isn’t that why we are still there?

  17. KDW – we did take those responsive actions you’re talking about – in Afghanistan. Iraq happened two years after the attacks. You remember weapons inspectors looking for WMDs? You remember stalling those weapons inspectors? Saddam was playing games. We eventually found out that there were never any WMDs, there were no solid ties between Saddam and Al Qaeda and 5 years later and after the loss of over 4000 American lives – Mission not accomplished.

    Do you know what’s spurring most of the terrorism over there? Our presence.

  18. I’ll just agree to disagree. When my brother-in-law, who has made 3 missions and is about to go a 4th, tells me that we have to do this, I take him at his word. I will trust his military experience (which is a lot) over Obama’s (who really has none besides his personal relationships with terrorists) any day.

    God be with us in November.

  19. KDW –
    You hit the nail on the head……..

    You just described an issue we will have with an Obama Presidency. That is …based on Obama’s statements and policy already, he will not listen to his commanders on the ground, but instead decide himself when it is best to leave a military theatre or how to go about the mission.

  20. KDW, I actually PARTIALLY agree with SRT(watch out for pigs flying overhead… especially ones with lipstick). You did hit the nail on the head. Your brother-in-law, 2 of my younger cousins, and my sister-in-law and her husband are all in Iraq because they are part of a group of the bravest men and women in the world – our US military. They answer the call to duty without reservation and to protect the freedom of American citizens – here and abroad.

    However, their original mission was to overthrow the regime of Saddam Hussein – which they did with “precision, poise, and audacity”(quote from my favorite movie – bonus points if you can name it).

    Now we are in the middle of an occupation. McCain and people who are pro-war try to quell the cries of people who want to bring our men and women home by saying – “They want to finish the job.” Well of course they do. That’s what our people do. They did it in both World Wars and they didn’t leave the debacle in Vietnam until the orders came down from Washington. That is the underlying premise behind bringing our men and women home. We want the old men and women sitting in their plush leather chairs under ornately decorated roofs in buildings with spectacular white columns to come to the conclusion that our mothers and fathers out in Iraq would be better served being home with their children. That our sons and daughters would be better served coming home to their parents and continuing their educations or going back into the workforce to work for a future, that frankly I think government is on the verge of taking away right now.

    And exactly what job is it that they are trying to finish? Is their mission to bring terrorism and Islamic extremism to a non-existent level in a country that is in the middle of the Middle East? The only real way they could do that would be to build an impenetrable wall around the entire country of Iraq and then weeding out the terrorists one by one. And if that’s the case, McCain is not that far off about being there for 100 years.

    Then they point to how well the troop surge is working. Well, no duh. What do we usually call for when crime rates rise here on our own streets? Increasing the number of cops on patrol? That’s basically what we’ve done. Well it’s time for the Iraqis to police themselves. And while we’re at it – let them govern themselves too.

    We’ve got a 10 trillion dollar debt and and we’re now about to issue almost a trillion dollars more to bail out a bad industry. We’ve still got 10 billion dollars a month going into Iraq while they(Iraqis) are sitting pretty with an 80 billion dollar surplus. We need to turn our attention inward and stop being world police and nation builders – we can’t afford it. We need to rely on our allies in NATO to uphold democratic values because while their pounds and euros are climbing ever higher, our dollar is creeping to all-time lows.

  21. Well, then I guess I can conclude that you think we need to be out of there or have some kind of timeline, eh?

    That to me is by far the most stupid thing I’ve ever heard of. How can you put a timeline on something like this?

    Again, I will reiterate the fact that of all the military people that I do know, not one of them is for coming home. Do you really think that Republicans just want to have our own men/women killed and kept away from their families? Do you think we don’t realize the price (and I’m not talking just $$) they pay for this country?

    Again, I will trust and take my brother-in-law’s word (among other people I know) over what Obama thinks any day. You CANNOT put a timeline on this kind of situation. And you of all people (a person in the military) should know that!!

    You’ve finally reached a point of ignorance that I just can’t deal with anymore. Plus your arrogant and sarcastic posts to the newest blog by SRT just goes to show how ignorant and disrespectful you really are.

    God bless America.

  22. Oh man KDW, what happened to my ambassador of good will? What happened to agree to disagree? Well, I’ll give you one thing – you’ve reconnected with the rest of your party friends here – angry mud-slingers who label anyone with a different opinion as ignorant.

    What, pray tell, is our mission in Iraq by the way? Win the war? Check. We did that – back in 2003.

    Find Saddam Hussein? Check. You probably know what happened to him.

    Help the Iraqi people build a new democratic government? Check. They held elections in 2005 and the elected government took over in 2006.

    What are we doing there? Fighting insurgents and terrorists who are trying mainly to… get this – end American occupation? Like I said before – if we want to maintain a standard of absolute control in Iraq – we will never be able to leave. How can we keep terrorists out or Iraq? We can’t even keep Mexicans with children and water bottles in tow from crossing our own borders here at home, much less an organized group of terrorists from crossing the Iraqi border.

    As for that timeline – well, it’s done. 2011 is the date in case you haven’t heard.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/21/AR2008082100310_pf.html

    And as for my “arrogant and sarcastic posts” – I’m sorry, I thought that SRT’s latest blog regarding this bailout being pushed through by only Democrats and Bush’s appointed Secretary of the Treasury, Henry Paulson being a Democrat himself – well I thought that was an attempt by SRT at comedy. So I thought I’d join in on the fun. After all – she admittedly posts humorous items on this blog – such as the experience comparison between Obama and Palin. Indeed, I had a good laugh at Palin’s foreign relations experience being the fact that Alaska borders Russia and Canada. Did anyone tell the governor of North Dakota that he’s got foreign relations experience too because he borders Canada? Heck – all the border states – automatic foreign relations experience. That’s alot of presidential candidates.

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