A new 20-pt fact checker for clueless Obama supporters

I am developing this post in honor of those liberals that post on my site without any facts and for the millions of clueless, puppy love Obama supporters across the country.

The video outlines that we don’t know who Obama actually is.  The video points out various issues and topics where Obama has told differing stories, flip-flopped, or just plain lied.

After the video is a list of 20 points put together by Right Werds, Korrekt Speech.  The fact check list is backed up with links press and even lefty talking head coverage….hard to refute.

I give you, “Obama, Who Are You?” the video from WeNeedMcCain:

And from Right Werds, Korrekt Speech, the 20-point video fact checker:

The research behind the claims:

Claim #1

-Obama supported immediate withdrawal from Iraq.  Links: Obama’s website and AP
-Obama before called for responsible withdrawal.  Link: Newsbusters
-Now Obama apparently sought to stall withdrawal of forces from Iraq by illegally negotiating with Iraqi officials.  Link: New York Post

Claim #2

-Obama said he would filibuster FISA.  Links:  Talkleft.com and Talkingpointsmemo and Huffington Post
-He then voted for FISA.  Linkss:  Politico and CNN

Claim #3

-Obama said he would support legislation that saved the life of a baby who survived a botched abortion and calls others liars.  Link:  CBN video with Obama himself saying it.
-Obama’s campaign admits he lied on the CBN interview.  Link:  New York Sun
-The actual record with his support for an amended version of the bill.  Our links:  Right Werds, Korrekt Speech and Lifenews

Claim #4

-Obama says he can no more disown Mr. Wright than his own grandmother.  Link:  Video
-Obama then disowns Mr. Wright and Trinity Church months later.  Links:  Video and video

Claim #5

-Obama tells AIPAC Israel must never be divided on June 4, 2008.  Link:  Video
-Obama on the very next day on CNN on June 5, 2008.  Video

Claim #6

-Obama’s experience is writing two memoirs.  Won’t prove this because the position is hard to prove with anything other than partisan appeals.

Claim #7

-Obama does not reach across the aisle, but rather votes 97% of the time with his Democratic colleagues and in 2007 was rated the most liberal Senator in the Senate.  Links:  MSNBC and National Journal
-When he does reach out, it’s on no-brainer bipartisan measures.  Link:  NPR

Claim #8

-Obama talks about hope but tells a 7-year old that America will never be what it once was.  This claim is inaccurate.  Obama used the present tense.  “America is, uh, no longer what it could be, what it once was.”  Link:  Video

Claim #9

-Obama agreed to public financing of his campaign.  Links:  Time and Video
-Obama then reneges on public financing for his campaign.  Link:  ABC

Claim #10

-Obama accused Clinton and Edwards of taking union money.  Link:  MSNBC
-Obama takes $1.4 million from union in Democratic primaries.  Link:  International Herald Tribune

Claim #11

-Obama says it’s time to end the embargo on Cuba.  Links:  Video and Time
-Obama tells a Miami audience he will not end the embargo.  Link:  Video

Claim #12

-Obama answers “oppose” on a questionnaire in 2004 when asked if he believed the government should crack down on employees who hire illegal aliens.  Link:  Washington Post
-Obama and McCain support cracking down on employers who hire illegal aliens.  Link:  Media General

Claim #13

-This claim is not completely accurate.  Obama told college students he seeks to decriminalize marijuana laws, but that he doesn’t support legalization.  Link:  Video
-Obama raised his hand in the debates indicating he does not support decriminalizing marijuana.  Link:  Video 

Claim #14

-Obama says he will serve out his term in the Senate and not run for President in an interview with Tim Russert.  Link:  Huffington Post
-If I have to prove Obama is running for President, then you are not breathing.

Claim #15

-Obama says “I would” when asked if he would be willing to talk to the leaders of Iran, Syria, North Korea without preconditions.  Links:  Video and NY Times and his own website under diplomacy.
-Obama then shifts his position.  Link:  Washington Post  

Claim #16

-Obama says Iran poses grave threat and we must stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons.  Link:  Bloomberg
-Obama then refuses to label the Iranian guard a terrorist organization, though he still called them terrorists.  Link:  Factcheck.org

Claim #17

-Obama calls Iran a tiny country, and that Iran does not pose a serious threat (see claim #16).  Link:  Video

Claim #18

-Obama answered in a questionnaire that he would vote to repeal the Patriot Act.  Link:  ABC
-Obama then voted for the Patriot Act.  Link:  Senate.gov Roll Call Vote

Claim #19

-As an Illinois State Senator, Obama voted to require illegal aliens to have a driver’s license and goes on to say he is not proposing such a step in a CNN debate.  Link:  New York Sun
-Media Matters talks about the spin.  Link:  Media Matters

Claim #20

-Obama states that he will cut military spending.  Link:  Video
-Obama says he will invest in the military.  Link:  His own website

Those are the claims and the proof behind them.  If you disagree, feel free to do the research as well to disprove his own words.


42 Responses

  1. “Claim #4

    -Obama says he can no more disown Mr. Wright than his own grandmother.
    -Obama then disowns Mr. Wright and Trinity Church months later.”

    This was not a lie, nor a flip-flop. Obama “threw his grandmother under a bus” in March. link: Article

    So he no more disown Wright than he could his grandmother. It’s just that he could – for political gain – disown her. 😉

  2. jonolan–
    HA!….that is a great point…thanks….nice clarification.

  3. You like videos… me too… check these out:

    I see you’re really laying it into Obama now. No more sweetheart talk about Palin huh? Guess you saw the ABC interview too – but obviously didn’t say a thing about it. No big posts with great highlights huh? I guess all that “Bush doctrine” stuff didn’t look that great. Not as good as her rehearsed RNC speech. Wasn’t life great for the right wingers a couple of weeks ago? Well, the poll numbers have changed and the popularity contest has taken a drastic turn to the issues at hand – namely the economy. And now that we’re off Palin and back to the issues – well, the McCain campaign machine couldn’t have been more disappointed I’m sure.

  4. funwithpolitics,
    Sorry to tell you that, while I am a big Palin fan, I don’t irrationally worship Gov. Palin as you do Obama.

    I have few worries about Palin’s ability to lead. Contrast that with what I believe are distrastrous consquences for our country if a novice leader, professional thug named Obama fills the seat of President.

    My focus is there at the moment.

    Now take your ignorant sarcasm somewhere else.

  5. A bit racist there sharprightturn? You live up to your name though… that was as far right a statement as any, “…professional thug…” Your type of backwards thinking is what tears this country apart. A successful black man still warrants the title “thug” from you. Well, you can keep clutching your purse tightly whenever a black man steps into the elevator with you – it just makes you look stupid. I had a little respect for you because you seemed to stick to McCain/Palin strictly because of your blind faith in the Republican party… but now I see that your just a bigot that would write anything to keep a BLACK man out of the WHITE House.

    I’ll take that I’ve been pretty sarcastic… but the ignorance lies solely with you.

  6. funwithpolitics,
    I am sick of hearing people accuse anyone who is against Obama of being racist. Where in SRT’s last remark do you find her even mentioning that he is an African American? You see, the problem with Obama lies not in his skin color, but in his record. He is a novice leader and his campaign does seem like thugs at times, especially when they are trying to shut down the opposition and any talk that may disparage their candidate. He has a known association with William Ayers, a known terrorist.

    It is strange that you would call him a successful black man when the only thing he has done is write two best selling books about none other than himself.

  7. Larry is right … and of course, the liberal twit ignores the fact that 90% of African Americans are supporting Obama simply because he is … well, black. And while Barbara Walters gushes over Obama, her behavior with guest McCain is atrocious. Racism, anyone? There has been NO political body more cruelly racist in this country’s history than the Jim Crow (Democratic) Party. Three things occur to me: (1) “Fun with politics” is a product of the American educational system, under-educated and/or pathetically uniformed. (2) Lacking anything cogent to offer, “Fun with politics” relies upon racism as an old saw to make a non-point. (3) The greatest danger to this country is not terrorism or war with another country … it is the idiotic mindset of people like “Fun with politics” who would rather see this country fail than to elect a responsible national leader … and that would never be a man like Obama.

  8. ‘funwithpolitics’ also makes some comically flawed assumptions about the author of this blog.

  9. “the liberal twit ignores the fact that 90% of African Americans are supporting Obama simply because he is … well, black”

    Show me the numbers Mustang… I can easily say 90% of McCain supporters are supporting him because:

    – he’s white
    – he picked Palin
    – he’s Republican(even though the base never considered him conservative enough – which is why they brought in Palin)
    – they don’t want a black guy for president
    – they don’t want a guy named Barack Hussein Obama for president

    Sharprightturn has made numerous criticisms of Obama and I’ve only ever pulled the race card this one time when she referred to him as a “thug”. Did I jump the gun like you righties did in pulling the sexism card when Obama said “…lipstick on a pig…” (a phrase by the way that McCain used a few times referring to Hillary’s healthcare proposals – yeah I said the proposals, not Hillary herself)? Hey, I’ll go the extra mile (unlike you guys ever do) and say if Sharprightturn wants to say she’s not racist and that I took the work “thug” out of context then I apologize. I’m not going to assume I know her better than she know’s herself – I just came to the conclusion from the words she used.

    “There has been NO political body more cruelly racist in this country’s history than the Jim Crow (Democratic) Party”

    – Seriously – did you type that with a straight face? Aren’t you the party of Strom Thurmond? Let’s not pretend that the Republican and Democratic parties have not changed their philosophies whatsoever over the last 150 years. You are not the same Republican party Lincoln was a part of, that I can assure you. Sounds like a pretty uneducated statement to me. Oh and your swipe at the American education system – you know the one that taught you how to type your ridicuous statements and read this amusing blog – well I would assume that a large percentage of folks reading this were educated in that system too. You can call me an idiot and under educated all you want – that’s pretty much the republican/conservative philosophy – if you can’t beat ’em with the facts – smear ’em. But I’m proud of my American education K through college. If it’s not good enough for you, I suggest you move to a country where the education system fits your needs.

  10. My hope is that, via the Internet, more and more people who would have cast a ballot for Obama will reconsider.

    Excellent video!

  11. Most of these are LIES. The author of this wants to take the time to congratulate Obama but doesn’t take the time to tell the truth.

    The biggest, saddest flip flops come from McCain. The one that hurts the most is torture.

    But McCain has a litany of flip flops from foreign policy including attacking terrorists in Pakistan, defense spending, detention of detainees, divestment and sanctions, illegal wiretapping, long-term troop presence in Iraq, negotiations with Hamas, Syria and Cuba, nuclear reactors, nuclear waste storage at Yucca Mountain, and the 21st Century GI Bill. On environment and energy issues: ethanol, Everglades restoration, and offshore drilling. On ethics reform McCain even flip flops while criticizing the media, on Katrina investigations, and even on lobbyists. On the economy McCain recently flip flopped on the AIG bailout, on Americans living better under Bush, balancing the budget, the Bush tax cuts, earmarks in Arizona, fairness of the Estate Tax, even job losses in Michigan, Social Security privatization, tobacco industry regulations and corporate windfall profits taxes. On immigration, he flip flopped on comprehensive immigration reform.
    McCain even flip flopped on the radical Right, the Confederate flag, Jerry Falwell and even the NRA and teaching Intelligent Design. McCain changed his mind on a Gay Marriage Amendment, health care with abortion exceptions, repealing Roe v. Wade and taxpayer funding for contraception in Africa. Oh, I can provide links to all of these.

    It is McCain who ‘reinvented himself” not Obama. It is McCain and his campaign which is misrepresenting. If ‘we’ sound angry, you’re wrong…in so many ways.

    And if you are going to continue posting lies and misrepresentations about Obama, I will continue to rebut them. It’s easy to lie but the truth will be told. Do some research before posting.

    1. removing the troops from Iraq immediately versus removing the troops responsibly:
    Obama always said it would be a responsible withdrawl. From Obama’s website: “A Responsible, Phased Withdrawal”

    2. Filibuster FISA then voted for it.
    Fair but Obama voted in favor of the Dodd-Feingold amendment to repeal retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies (S. Amdt. 3907). He also supported other amendments to improve the bill, including the Feingold-Webb-Tester amendment to protect Americans from unwarranted surveillance (S. Amdt. 3979), and the Feingold amendment to protect Americans from the bulk collection of communications (S. Amdt. 3912).
    McCain’s record on this issue is clear. Spy on everybody.

    3. Obama claimed he would support but legislation never passed.
    How is this Obama’s fault?
    From an article titled; Obama Facing Attacks From All Sides Over Abortion Record
    “They have not been telling the truth,” Mr. Obama said. “And I hate to say that people are lying, but here’s a situation where folks are lying.” He added that it was “ridiculous” to suggest he had ever supported withholding lifesaving treatment for an infant. “It defies common sense and it defies imagination, and for people to keep on pushing this is offensive,” he said in the CBN interview.
    The only articles I could find were from partisan, right wing ideologue sites.

    4. the Reverend Wright issue.
    distraction. Please focus on real issues. This is not a matter of loyalty. The over 2 million people who have contributed to Obama’s campaign are his constituency.

    5. said we needed a national dialogue on race but never begun that dialogue.
    misrepresentation. Beyond the obvious, Obama provided a thoughtful, nuanced speech on race. Here is the full text. Read it before criticizing. http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/848200,speech031808.article
    for another perspective on this:
    What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review?
    What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?

    What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said “I do” to?
    What if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife after she no longer measured up to his standards?
    What if Michelle Obama were a wife who not only became addicted to pain killers, but acquired them illegally through her charitable organization?
    What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?
    What if Obama were a member of the “Keating 5”?

    What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker?
    If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they are?
    This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when there is a color difference.

    – from Kelvin LaFond of Fort Worth

    6. said “Israel must never be divided” but the next day stated it must.
    misrepresentation. The follow day after AIPAC speech Obama stated, “we have some poor phrasing in the speech” not Jerusalem “must be divided”. Obama goes on to state “those parties are going to have to negotiate those issues on their own”. And, don’t take this out of context either.

    7. “Obama’s only true accomplishments are writing two books about himself misrepresentation.
    • Obama has served 12 yrs at the federal and state level (4 yrs US Sen + 8 yrs IL Sen)
    • Obama co-sponsored 15 bills that became federal law and co-sponsored 570 bills. These bills and laws are an impressive accomplishment spanning
    – foreign policy:
    Promote relief, security and democracy in the Congo (2125)
    Develop democratic institutions in areas under Palestinian control (2370).
    – public health:
    Improve mine safety (2803)
    Increased breast cancer funding (597)
    Reduce preterm delivery and complications, reduce infant mortality (707).
    – openness and accountability in government:
    Strengthening the Freedom of Information Act (2488)
    Full disclosure of all entities receiving federal funds (2590)
    – national security
    Extend Terrorist Risk Insurance (467)
    Amend the Patriot Act (2167)
    Of the 570 bills Senator Obama introduced into the Senate during the 109th and 110th Congress:
    25 addressed Energy Efficiency and Climate Change
    21 addressed Health Care
    20 addressed Public Health
    14 address Consumer Protection/Labor
    13 addressed the Needs of Veterans and the Armed Forces
    12 addressed Congressional Ethics and Accountability
    10 addressed Foreign Policy
    9 address Voting/Elections
    11 addressed Education
    6 addressed Hurrican Katrina
    5 addressed the Environment
    4 addressed Discrimination
    4 addressed Homeland Security
    • Obama sponsored 823 bills and cast over 4000 votes in the IL Senate
    • Obama got an International Relations specialty in college, later served 4 yrs on Senate Foreign Relations
    • Obama spent 3 years as the executive in charge of a budget that went from $70K to $400K while serving as a local community organizer in Chicago
    • Obama’s runs a campaign with over 2000 employees, more than the White House staff

    8. “he has no and record of change or working across the aisle is not even negligible”
    Obama is endorsed by a long list of high profile conservatives and elected Republicans.
    Obama pushed through strict ethics reforms against the will of many in both parties.
    Obama actually has worked across party lines on a couple of bills since he won his U.S. Senate seat back in 2004. Specifically, Obama worked with Republican Sen. Dick Lugar to get the Lugar-Obama bill passed. According to Obama’s Senate website, the bill “enhances U.S. efforts to destroy conventional weapons stockpiles and to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction throughout the world.”
    In addition, Obama worked with Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn on the Coburn-Obama bill. The bill set up a database that tracks where federal dollars are being spent and which contractors receive federal funding.
    From http://factbeat.com/get_story.php?id=263

    9 . Obama talks about hope but tells a 7-year old that America will never be what it once was.
    Obama used the present tense and there is a good bit more context in the video. “America is, uh, no longer what it could be, what it once was.”

    10. Obama agreed to public financing of his campaign then refused it.
    Obama only suggested that he might, given that McCain could easily go around those rules with ads from independent 527 groups; sure enough, not only is the McCain campaign relying on 527s as their principal means of attacking Obama, but they have even been caught in illegal message coordination with 527s, whereas Obama got the MoveOn 527 to shut down and changed DNC policy to no longer accept PAC or federal lobbyist money.
    Obama co-sponsored public finance reform in Presidential and Senate races, he has been a leading advocate for a bill to require Senate candidates to file their disclosures electronically, and he authored the Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act, as well as a bill to improve voter access to polling places; John McCain’s single reform accomplishment after twenty-five years in the Senate is the McCain-Feingold campaign finance bill. Obama, with no federal lobbyist/PAC money and over two million contributors, most of them small donors, is as a result not indebted to lobbyists and special interests; in fact, “you would have to go back a century and a half to name an incoming president with so few debts to repay”. McCain’s campaign staff full of lobbyists is well documented, with at least 133 lobbyists running his campaign and raising money for him.

    11. accused Clinton and Edwards of taking union money then took union money yourself.
    disingenuous and one sided.
    Unions and other organizations have the right to spend money on political endorsements.
    Although prohibited from using their resources to “expressly advocate” the election or defeat of federal candidates, or to make contributions directly to candidates or parties, corporations and labor organizations may conduct a variety of activities related to federal elections, in addition to those conducted through a PAC. Though they may not use general treasury funds to pay for “electioneering communications” – broadcast ads referring to candidates for federal election without expressly advocating their election or defeat — in the 60 days prior to a general election, or 30 days prior to a primary election, they may advocate for political issues and mention federal candidates while doing so, if outside the 30/60 day time frame for “electioneering communications,” or at any time through non-broadcast media. They may also engage in certain non-partisan voter registration and get-out-the-vote campaigns.
    The real issue is campaign financing reform.

    12. says it’s time to end the embargo on Cuba then told a Miami audience you would not do so.
    Get a grip. Regardless of Obama’s statements ‘staying the course’ should not be an option. For an interesting perspective, here is McCain’s FLIP FLOP on Cuba:
    “Mr. McCain, however, has his own mixed record on the matter. When he was running for president in 2000, Mr. McCain stood out for supporting normalizing relations with Cuba, even if Fidel Castro remained in power, provided the government went through certain steps to democratize its country, similar to the road map to normalizing relations with Vietnam.”
    13. “the government should not crack down on employees who hire illegal aliens and then said we should crack down”
    There is no way to even track this down. Obama’s Record:
    Crack Down on Employers: Obama championed a proposal to create a system so employers can verify that their employees are legally eligible to work in the U.S.
    Fix the Bureaucracy: Obama joined Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) to introduce the Citizenship Promotion Act to ensure that immigration application fees are both reasonable and fair. Obama also introduced legislation that passed the Senate to improve the speed and accuracy of FBI background checks.
    Respect Families: Obama introduced amendments to put greater emphasis on keeping immigrant families together.

    McCain’s record is a bit different:
    Flip: Speaking on the Senate floor in March 2006, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) argued for comprehensive immigration reform, stating that “while strengthening border security is an essential component of national security, it must also be accompanied by immigration reforms.”

    Flop: But while seeking the GOP nomination for president, McCain “encountered anger from hard-line immigration foes,” particularly over his support for a bill that would “have allowed most undocumented immigrants to work toward citizenship.” Thus, in order to pander to the far right during the primary, McCain changed his position, saying the U.S. must secure the borders before undocumented immigrants are dealt with, thereby discarding the “comprehensive” nature of his previous immigration position:
    [I] have pledged that it would be among my highest priorities to secure our borders first, and only after we achieved widespread consensus that our borders are secure, would we address other aspects of the problem in a way that defends the rule of law and does not encourage another wave of illegal immigration.

    Flip: But now that McCain has all but locked up the nomination, he has to start dancing. Trying to court Latino voters, McCain flipped back to his original position, saying he now supports “comprehensive immigration reform“:
    MCCAIN: We get in this kind of a circular firing squad on immigration reform in the Congress of the United States, and the lesson I learned from it is we’ve got to have comprehensive immigration reform.
    (UPDATE: On June 27, 2008, McCain praised himself for sponsoring the McCain-Kennedy immigration reform legislation of 2006). In a Jan. 30 GOP debate, McCain said he would not vote for his own bill today:
    Q: At this point, if your original proposal came to a vote on the Senate floor, would you vote for it? […]
    McCAIN: No, I would not, because we know what the situation is today. The people want the borders secured first.

    14. “told college students he seeks to decriminalize marijuana laws, but that he doesn’t support legalization and then in the debates said you were against it.”
    Obama stated in 2004: “the war on drugs has been an utter failure, and I think we need to rethink and decriminalize our marijuana laws but I’m not somebody who believes in legalization of marijuana.”

    15. said he will serve out his term in the Senate term and then ran for President
    You’ve got to be kidding me.

    16. said would be meet to foreign leaders without precondition in his first year in office
    …and Obama has a substantially better approach over Bush. Obama has never claimed willingness to “unconditionally” meet with U.S. adversaries, nor laid out broad preconditions.

    17. refused to label the Iranian guard a terrorist organization
    Factcheck.org: “We find otherwise.
    * Obama cosponsored an earlier bill that also called for designating the IRGC as a terrorist organization.
    * The Kyl-Lieberman amendment did more than just label the IRGC terrorists. Obama stated at the time that he opposed the bill on the grounds that it constituted “saber-rattling.”
    * McCain claims that Obama must oppose calling the IRGC a terrorist group because Obama’s Web site doesn’t say anything about the IRGC. McCain’s argument is a glaring example of the logical fallacy of argumentum ad ignorantiam.”

    18. is Iran a grave threat to the US or a tiny country, you have said both.
    You have got to be kidding. In the same Fox news spliced video Obama states, “if Iran ever tried to pose a serious threat to us, they wouldn’t stand a chance”

    19. you said you would repeal the Patriot Act but then voted for it
    This accurate. And we call this a compromise. Here is Obama’s rationale:
    Mr. President, 4 years ago, following one of the most devastating attacks in our Nation’s history, Congress passed the USA PATRIOT Act to give our Nation’s law enforcement the tools they needed to track down terrorists who plot and lurk within our own borders and all over the world–terrorists who, right now, are looking to exploit weaknesses in our laws and our security to carry out even deadlier attacks than we saw on September 11th.

    We all agreed that we needed legislation to make it harder for suspected terrorists to go undetected in this country. Americans everywhere wanted that.

    But soon after the PATRIOT Act passed, a few years before I ever arrived in the Senate, I began hearing concerns from people of every background and political leaning that this law didn’t just provide law enforcement the powers it needed to keep us safe, but powers it didn’t need to invade our privacy without cause or suspicion. Now, at times this issue has tended to degenerate into an “either- or” type of debate. Either we protect our people from terror or we protect our most cherished principles. But that is a false choice. It asks too little of us and assumes too little about America.

    Let me be clear: this compromise is not as good as the Senate version of the bill, nor is it as good as the SAFE Act that I have cosponsored. I suspect the vast majority of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle feel the same way. But, it’s still better than what the House originally proposed.

    This compromise does modestly improve the PATRIOT Act by strengthening civil liberties protections without sacrificing the tools that law enforcement needs to keep us safe.

    In this compromise:

    We strengthened judicial review of both national security letters, the administrative subpoenas used by the FBI, and Section 215 orders, which can be used to obtain medical, financial and other personal records.
    We established hard-time limits on sneak-and-peak searches and limits on roving wiretaps.
    We protected most libraries from being subject to national security letters.
    We preserved an individual’s right to seek counsel and hire an attorney without fearing the FBI’s wrath.
    And we allowed judicial review of the gag orders that accompany Section 215 searches. The compromise is far from perfect.
    I would have liked to see stronger judicial review of national security letters and shorter time limits on sneak and peak searches, among other things.

    Senator Feingold has proposed several sensible amendments–that I support–to address these issues. Unfortunately, the Majority Leader is preventing Senator Feingold from offering these amendments through procedural tactics. That is regrettable because it flies in the face of the bipartisan cooperation that allowed the Senate to pass unanimously its version of the Patriot Act–a version that balanced security and civil liberty, partisanship and patriotism.

    The Majority Leader’s tactics are even more troubling because we will need to work on a bipartisan basis to address national security challenges in the weeks and months to come. In particular, members on both sides of the aisle will need to take a careful look at President Bush’s use of warrantless wiretaps and determine the right balance between protecting our security and safeguarding our civil liberties.

    This is a complex issue. But only by working together and avoiding election-year politicking will we be able to give our government the necessary tools to wage the war on terror without sacrificing the rule of law.

    So, I will be supporting the PATRIOT Act compromise. But I urge my colleagues to continue working on ways to improve the civil liberties protections in the PATRIOT Act after it is reauthorized.

    20. as an Illinois State Senator, you voted to require illegal aliens to have a driver’s license and then opposed it in a debate.
    Got us! This one is accurate. Oops, Obama stumbled. Compared to McCain…

    21. Obama states that he will cut military spending
    Obama stated he will cut wasteful and unnecessary spending and never stated he will not invest in military spending.

  12. funwithpolitics,
    You didn’t hear me mention race one time in this string….you mentioned it.

    I really tire of those like yourself who see everything through race, then accuse those of us who don’t of being racist….

    You are stretching with all your might to paint me as everything you believe Republicans are….which says alot about you….I don’t even have to write it, lest I be accused of something else I don’t believe or didn’t say.

    (Never mind that most liberals can’t handle a viewpoint different than your own, therefore all of “those Republicans” are racist, women-hating, loathers of the lower class….)

    I agree with others who’ve commented….my entire premise against Obama is because of what he believes, who he gathers knowledge from, and his vast inexperience! It has nothing to do with the color of his skin.

    Obama is dangerous because of his beliefs, his actions, and his associates….not because he is black. In fact, if he held even 75% of the views that I do, I would take a good hard look at voting for him…..but he doesn’t…his world view and beliefs are 180 degrees from mine….He’s pretty far out there in the liberal wasteland of old thought, blame America first, class warfare, and Socialism.

    He has aligned himself with thugs including Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers…to name only two.. He has used his thug tactics to twice try and silence a talk radio show in Chicago for the sin of having someone on the show who disagrees with and wants to talk about Obama’s past. Therefore the label of thug …(the term doesn’t insinutate race, by the way., for anyone other than those looking for it….)

  13. The figure of 90% of all African Americans supporting Obama is INCORRECT.

    The CORRECT figure, according to Gallup research, is 93%.


    How many of these people are voting for Obama JUST because he’s black? Who knows…that’s not typically a polling question. However, you’d have to have be blind not see a significant connection. Is that surprising? Not a bit. People tend to vote for whom they identify with.
    Regardless, there is certainly a contingent of voters on both sides that will vote for either candidate based on solely racial considerations. People who will vote for him just because he is black are as “racist” as people who won’t vote for him for the same reason.

    Whatever the reason people will vote for Obama, there isn’t much logic attached. I’ve yet to hear ONE PERSON (white, black, purple, pink, whatever) describe in COHERENT terms they are voting for Obama. It’s “change”, or “hope”, or “Bush”, or some vague notion that we’re “heading the wrong direction”. Aside from a promise to redistribute wealth, I’ve yet to hear from any of his supporters about HOW Obama will do a better job of protecting this country, or HOW he will do a better job with the budget, or the economy, or anything else. There is just a FEELING that this younger, cooler, more socially adept guy will somehow make things better. People had a similar FEELING about Jimmy Carter.

    For someone who is touted as a “post-racial” candidate, Obama and his supports seem to be pretty quick on the draw with the “race” card. Even the Clintons got called out when Billy started to talk about how big a “fantasy” the Obama candidacy had become. For someone who decried the excesses of campaign spending, he quickly retreated from his pledge to accept public financing. For someone who’s talked about “elevating the dialog”, he’s more than up to the task of producing rhetoric and campaign ads filled with lies and distortions. If he’s described as a “thug” politician. That has nothing to do with the color of his skin, but the tactics he employs.

    Interesting comment about the party philosophies changing over the past 150 years. Just 64 years ago, it was President Eisenhower that had to use force to quell the protests of several Democrat Governors to the Supreme Court’s ruling regarding school segregation. Just 54 years ago, the Civil Rights Act had significant opposition by House and Senate Democrats. In fact, a greater percentage of Republicans voted for it. Hey look…Robert Byrd, the former Klansman and arch-critic of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, still holds his Senate seat and is President Pro-Tempore, which puts him third in line to the Presidency behind Cheney and Pelosi. Yes, things have changed.

  14. I fail to see how someone could honestly think about voting for a man that has changed his opinions so many times. He has no opinions of his own and is just a puppet of the democratic party. The only thing he has been consistent on his change. Changing his opinions to be exact. Should he become President, we will become a socialist nation.
    God Bless America

    NObama ’08
    Change is all we’ll have left

  15. Oh, by the way, funwithpolitics, isn’t it racist to assume that a Southern white woman hates and is afraid of black people? But then again, liberals and hypocrisy go hand in hand. Go drink some Kool-Aid.

    God Bless America

  16. My name ain’t funwithpolitics for nothing – love getting a rise out of you folks.

    Sharpright – fair enough – you say your not racist – I won’t argue.

    GBS – thanks for the polls – you’re telling me that 93% of blacks are voting for Obama – tell me something I don’t already know. I was refuting Mustang’s statement that 90% are voting SIMPLY BECAUSE HE’S BLACK. Your poll does not say 93% of blacks are voting for Obama because he’s black. So you prove nothing. In your reasoning, 90+% of blacks would vote for Snoop Doggy Dogg or OJ Simpson for president if given the opportunity. (My mind-reading powers say 90% of the readers of this blog just chuckled and said to themselves, “Of course they would.”) (You like how I used 90% too?)

    Eisenhower did his job – whether he supported it or not – the president is the “Executive” branch of governement whose JOB it is to “execute” legislation.

    Byrd expressed complete regret and remorse for his mistakes earlier in his career(I like Wikipedia too). Thurmond did more against civil rights in office than any idiot in a white hood could ever do.

    The Civil Rights Act was introduced by a Democratic President (JFK) and supported and signed into law by a Democratic President (LBJ).

    Mr. Lighter – Talk about changing opinions, did you watch the videos I posted? No? Because it’s bullcrap liberal media that was probably doctored in someway to make McCain look bad? Nope – his words – his flip-flops – no doctoring needed.

    As for Kool-Aid – it’s a delightful drink made by Americans. I’d gladly drink it to support American business. You on the other hand can go to Waco, keep a watch out for Hale-Bopp, and enjoy some refreshments imported from Jonestown. While your at it… could you keep an eye out for that Bridge-to-nowhere that McCain and Palin are leading you to?

  17. funwithpolitics,

    Regarding the polling data and its meaning, your reading comprehension is a bit faulty. Go back and try again. Additionally, I’m not trying to “prove” a thing to you, so get over yourself, there, professor.

    “Eisenhower did his job – whether he supported it or not – the president is the “Executive” branch of government whose JOB it is to “execute” legislation.”

    Another interesting comment…I guess the democrat governors that Eishenhower had to arm-twist didn’t get the memo about upholding and enforcing the law?

    Crack open the Wikipedia and read the history of the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Kennedy and Johnson may have been visionaries, but they had to drag much of the rest of their party along.

    News alert on Strom Thurmond! The dude has been dead five years. Let’s stay amongst the living, shall we? I’m sure you can come up with a breathing example to support whatever it is you’re trying to say.

    This fascinating discussion of history, cadavers, and Snoop Dog aside…

    I STILL haven’t heard ONE coherent explanation as to why Obama should get someone’s vote. Please omit references to “hope”, “change”, and “Bush”.

    Welcome to the furball, Mr. Lighter.

  18. funwithpolitics,
    That’s awfully nice of you to go ahead and “not argue” with me on whether I am racist or not.
    Your kindness has bowled me over.

  19. Mr. Lighter,
    Thanks for the support.

    It is a nasty job dealing with the bitter left, but someone has to do it.

    Nice to see you commenting again… 🙂

  20. Give me three VALID reasons why McCain and Palin are leading us to nowhere? I would rather go sit in a hole than live in Obama’s socialist country. Why don’t you try reading a book and not some liberal mud-thrower site. You might just learn something.

    God Bless America

  21. Remington is another fine American business that I feel like supporting right now.

  22. Sharpright – you’re most definitely welcome – just a taste of how bitter I’m not – and how bitter your “thank you” sounded.

    Oh, and while we’re on bitter – this site has been pretty bitter towards Obama. All I see is attacks on Obama and how great Palin is and how cute her kids are. You got any reasons why we should vote for McCain? Not really – you wanna know why? Cause you’re not “voting” for McCain – you’re voting AGAINST Obama and FOR Palin. I’m not here to drop reasons why you should vote for Obama because I’m not here to convince anyone how to vote. I’m just having too much fun with the politics. Anyway – convincing you to vote for Obama would be like trying to convince a deer to get out of the headlights of an oncoming truck – it’d probably be a good idea to get out of the way… but those headlights are so pretty and hypnotic… and just before you become splatter on the road – you see the words on the front of the truck – “Straight Talk Express”.

    GBS – Sorry for the history lesson – one of your comrades(and I DO mean comrades since the leaders of the Republican party are wholeheartedly embracing this Socialist move that Bush’s regime has proposed) by the name of Mustang thought history was on his or her side when it really wasn’t. And don’t think I don’t blame Dems for this disaster too. I’m an equal opportunity blamer because Republicans and Democrats are both greedy and opportunistic – which is why I’m registered Independent. Why don’t I slam Dems more you ask? Not because I’m one of them, but because slamming Dems on this site would be like wearing a Red Sox hat just because I’m in Boston. If I wanted to slam Dems, I’d do it on the Daily Kos.

    Oh and some valid reasons to vote for Obama? How about I combine your buzzwords and say, “I’m HOPING for a CHANGE from BUSH.” That work for ya? I’ll come up with more when you give me reasons to vote for McCain that exclude “POW”, “maverick”, and Palin.

    Lighter – You’re in Bush’s Socialist country now, when are you moving out? And as for mudslinging, it looks like since I don’t agree with your POV, I must not read books and spend all my time on the Daily Kos. Sorry bud, never heard of the site until I saw it addressed on this blog.

    Oh, and I already do support Smith and Wesson – and the army trained me pretty well with their products too so I’d be happy to demonstrate anytime, anyplace.

  23. One very good reason to vote for McCain is that he was in the US House of Representatives for two terms, and in the Senate three terms. He has far more experience than Obama, and he understands the military. I’m sure that as a former soldier you understand the importance of having a Commander in Chief that understands how the military works, and knows what it is like to serve his country. Also, a great reason why NOT to vote for Obama is that he will raise our taxes sky-high, destroying hundreds of small businesses and weakening the economy. This is the last thing we need, considering how low the value of the dollar is. Now, how about those reasons for voting for Obama? And please, omit HOPE, CHANGE, and BUSH. I played by your rules, now you play by mine. And in what ways does President Bush qualify as a socialist? I would truly enjoy enlightenment.

    God Bless America

  24. Oh, FWP, please leave any sarcasm out of your response. All it does is show that you cannot think of any real reasons to vote for Obama, so you mask your ignorance with bad jokes. Please see if you can scrape some shred of intelligence from the bottom of the bucket.

    God Bless America

  25. “Oh and some valid reasons to vote for Obama? How about I combine your buzzwords and say, “I’m HOPING for a CHANGE from BUSH.” That work for ya? I’ll come up with more when you give me reasons to vote for McCain that exclude “POW”, “maverick”, and Palin.”

    Nice deflection…funny…but, as usual, it doesn’t answer the question. I understand it’s a tough one. OK…I’ll go first.


    A combat veteran who answered up (BIG TIME) when called to do his duty. His experiences spanning a 24 year Navy career enable him to fully understand the consequences of sending the military into harm’s way. In fact, we haven’t had a major party nominated Presidential candidate so connected with the military since Eisenhower. If that isn’t enough…two of McCain’s kids and one of his VP’s are also on the line. Not only does McCain personally understand the nature and consequence of war, he FULLY understands what it’s like for American families with children in the military. Can anyone ask for a better set of qualifications for the Commander-in-Chief of our armed forces?

    Policy / legislative experience spanning 26 years in Congress…including 21 years in the Senate. Committee membership includes long-standing Armed Services membership and Commerce Chairmanship. A long and well documented history of bi-partisan cooperation…some examples:

    – McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform Act
    – With Sen Lieberman, authored legislation establishing 9/11 Commission
    – With Sen Hollings, co-sponsored the Aviation and Transportation Security Act that federalized airport security

    There is MUCH more…but this is arguably the BEST one…HOW many earmarks has he taken during his time in Congress?

    Your turn…

    By the way, FWP, I’m curious…what S&W products did you learn to use in the Army?

    Careful, I’m what you might call “familiar” with this subject.

  26. You know what… I like McCain – he seemed like a good guy back in the 2000 race and he would have been a far superior choice to Bush or Gore; back then. He was a stand-up guy who ran a straight-forward campaign and he was very likeable. But since 2000 – he’s learned his lesson. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you – in other words: you guys – the right. Since then, he’s been pulling the same crap that Bush pulled on him back then. I think that’s just sad.

    Sure he’s gone bipartisan – those examples you sight there GBS, well, they’re basically no-brainers. Campaign reform? Duh, let’s keep all that money under control that flows into campaigns – who doesn’t want that on both sides AND who would come out against it publicily without looking like some greedy politician?
    The 9/11 commision? Another no-brainer. Of course we wanted to find out what the hell happened that allowed an atrocity like those terrorist attacks to occur. Who would go against that and not look un-American. Which leads into the obvious call to increase airport security with your last example. All no-brainers that don’t take alot of thought and are not dangerous bipartisan risks that could endanger your connection with your party.

    Another thing that I admired about him(and still do) was his military service. But when you type in “BIG TIME” in caps(and you can deny, deny, deny) you are denoting that his time as a POW contributes to his qualifications. Are you telling me that every POW, for all the trouble they went through, should just be handed the White House if they ask? And here’s your response, “I never said that.” Well no duh, I can see that – but your comments denote otherwise.
    As for being in the military – sure he’s got lots of experience – but he’s not running for admiral, or general, he’s running for president. Yes, he’s the Commander-in-Chief – but let’s get realistic here – he’s got the Secretary of Defense, the Chiefs of Staff, and plenty of advisors. He’s got the last word, but he doesn’t have to sit there and do Patreus’s job(or what was his job). And on the flipside – he doesn’t have much economic experience(neither does Obama) but he would have access to dozens of advisors as any President would on any number of domestic and international issues. “My friends”(in my best creepy impression of when McCain says it), it’s called the Cabinet.

    Earmarks…. hmmm…. they’ve been vilified beyond belief. I can respect McCain for not taking any – but what are earmarks used for? Federal contributions to state funding for infrastructure improvements and positive programs for us? The funny thing about elections are the buzzwords they generate. Earmarks are one of these buzzwords and they’re soooo bad, but in all honesty – earmarks are necessary. The true problem is “pork-barrelling”. When governor A asks the feds for an earmark to fund educational initiatives, well what’s wrong with that? It’s when you add another $100,000 for new toilet seats in the state capitol or $300,000 to study the mating habits of chihuahuas that are the problem. If Arizona’s not getting their fair share of the federal tax dollars they put out, well that’s their problem.

    Mr. Lighter – I love how this blog has stressed executive experience with Palin and when needed, we’ll tout McCain’s long list of experience, none of which is executive by the way.

    Apparently your definition of Socialism conveniently only includes Democratic policy, because unless you truly do live in a hole as you suggested in one of your earlier posts – your current Republican party leader(Bush) and his Secretary of the Treasury(Paulson) are making one of the most socialist of moves – bailing out these greedy morons who’ve ruined Wall Street. Hold your attacks though!!! The Dems are backing it up – except they don’t want to give a no-strings, 700 billion dollar check like Mr. Paulson is requesting.

    I would really take you guys a little more seriously if you would admit that Republicans have flaws. But you talk about McCain like his poop don’t stink. And you talk about Palin like her poop is tradeable on the gold market. I’m voting for Obama because I feel he can make my circumstances better than they are right now. I care about foreign policy and international affairs too, but my number one priority is making sure my family is taken care of. Taxes will be raised – but only on higher income brackets. But it’s no surprise to me that you guys are against that – you are Republicans after all – the rich guys right? Maybe, maybe not.(LOOK <— I just wrote “maybe, maybe not” – so NO, I don’t know how much you really make – it’s called sarcasm). But we’ve got a national debt at 9 trillion dollars and going up continuously. Now we’re about to write a 700 billion dollar check for some dimwits that thought they’d make a quick buck. Who’s going to pay for that? Us. How? Well, taxes. And like it or not, we’re gonna have to foot the bill. So if taxes are raised on me, well, I’ll pay. Maybe bringing down the defecit and debt could strengthen the dollar and benefit me in a different way. Anyhow, I don’t know about you, but my grandkid’s grandkids shouldn’t pay for the current generations mistakes.

    Sorry Republicans – you can distance yourselves from Bush as much as you want, but I have a good feeling most of you voted for him twice JUST BECAUSE he was your party candidate. You had your chance to help me and the rest of America out for the last 8 years but you messed that up royally. Time to CHANGE up(sorry, had to use that word one more time).

    Oh, and GBS – I own a 1911 from S&W. The army didn’t teach me to use S&W products specifically – just how to shoot guns – which are S&W’s main products I believe. I spent most of the time in the army holding an M-16 if that answers your question. I’d love to own an M-16, but after 20 out of the last 28 years of supposedly gun-loving Republicans in the White House – my choices of legal firearms keep shrinking. Hmm, imagine that. Fellow vet? If so, I salute you, but not your political choices.

  27. “But when you type in “BIG TIME” in caps(and you can deny, deny, deny) you are denoting that his time as a POW contributes to his qualifications.”


    Apparently, you aren’t very familiar with what he did OTHER than as a POW. I didn’t mention “POW” because I didn’t have to. Even if he hadn’t been a POW, his militiary service credentials are remarkable. He repeatedly flew a single engine light attack aircraft off an aircraft carrier into one of the most sophisticated and effective anti-aircraft defense networks then in existence. Unlike today, there was little in the way of self-protection and aircrew were routinely lost. As someone who has spent a fair amount of time flying off the “pointy-end” of a CVN, I apparently appreciate the hazards McCain faced more than you.

    Bottome Line:

    Qualifications for Commander-in-Chief…McCain’s got it in spades…Obama’s got NOTHING.

    Economic credentials? McCain has dealt with economic issues as Chairman of the Commerce Committee? Again, Obama has NOTHING.

    Bi-partisan work? You cite my McCain examples as “no brainers”. Perhaps…but Obama has NOTHING.

    More deflection…where’s the promised COHERENT explanation about why one would vote for Obama?

    You’ve got NOTHING, do you?

    Don’t feel too bad…neither does anyone else.

  28. “I’d love to own an M-16, but after 20 out of the last 28 years of supposedly gun-loving Republicans in the White House – my choices of legal firearms keep shrinking.”

    Dude, unless you live in DC, Chicago, or New York City, I don’t know what’s stopping you. Even in CA where there is supposedly an “assault weapons ban”, they are all over the place. Where I live, I can buy an M4 clone at the local sporting goods store.

    In fact, when at look at that statement, that is perhaps the silliest thing you’ve said…and THAT is saying something! Republicans have rarely done anything to restrict individual gun ownership rights. You will find Democrats behind every single gun ban initiative in modern times. I guarantee that wherever you live, if you can’t own an M-16, it’s because of Democrats.

  29. Actually, in most locales you will find it very difficult to own a M-16 or M4 Carbine legally. Those are fully automatic weapons and require a laundry list of approvals stretching from the ATF down to your local Sheriff or Police Chief. It’s almost impossible to do in most places – mostly due to the local law enforcement head not being willing to sign off on the paperwork.

    Now AR-15s and semiautomatic variants of the M4 are a different story.

  30. “I’m voting for Obama because I feel he can make my circumstances better than they are right now.”

    There it is in a nutshell…you FEEL. You don’t have a single concrete reason why he is the most ready to be President. Again, don’t FEEL you’re alone, you’re far from being the only one.

    “I care about foreign policy and international affairs too, but my number one priority is making sure my family is taken care of.”

    YOU take care of your family…that’s YOUR responsibility. The President takes an oath to defend the nation, not to take care of your family.

    “But we’ve got a national debt at 9 trillion dollars and going up continuously. Now we’re about to write a 700 billion dollar check for some dimwits that thought they’d make a quick buck.”

    I’ll end with something I completely agree with you on.

    However, how will Obama’s promises to:

    – tax ONLY the “rich”, provide “tax cuts” to the poor and middle class (apparently including those who don’t pay income tax in the first place)…

    – provide some form of government sponsored general health coverage…

    – go forward with the myriad of other initiatives he’s promised…

    result in anything close to a balanced budget?

    The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan aren’t going away on Jan 20th. The financial crisis and the resulting federal obligation isn’t going to be resolved then either.

    THINK about it!

  31. jonolan,

    Agreed…one cannot easily own a fully automatic weapon…and I FULLY understand the difference between the military versions and ones sold on the civilian market. I wasn’t talking about that. Ownership of fully automatic weapons has been highly restricted for decades. However, ownership of semi-auto variants of the M-16 / M-4 is completely legal in the vast majority of states in this country.

  32. Oh yes. I’ve owned hundreds of them at one time, specifically 144 AR-15s I purchase just before the “Assault Weapons Ban.”

  33. jonolan,

    Careful…you’re scaring the children.

  34. I bought them as an investment; I intended to resell them after the ban was enforced for a tidy profit since they’d be grandfathered in. Sadly for my goals of quick and exorbitant profit the gun makers had already found so many ways around the ban that the price stayed stable.

    It took me two years to unload them all and my margin ended up being only about 5%

  35. That’s right GBS, I feel… is that allowed in America anymore? When you voted for King George, you probably compiled statistics and looked at the facts and blah blah blah. Well look what that got us. And now you are soooo pissed, that you picked for your name on this blog: “GBS” = “George Bush Sucks”. Well go ahead and vote with all the undeniable facts you’ve compiled that McCain is the better guy. I just FEEL if McCain wins, within a year your new name on this blog will be JMS.

    As for the M-16 thing, c’mon – are you really that hard up on proving me wrong on everything I say. Can I REALLY own the same M-16 I used in active duty? Jonolan is right… well I don’t know if he’s right-wing… but he’s right on the gun thing. If I wanted a defanged M-16, I would have bought one of those wannabes a long time ago. In essence – if you owned a Rottweiler at one point, why would you want a Cocker Spaniel?

  36. funwithpolitics,


    You tried to somehow blame Republicans because you couldn’t buy a FULLY AUTOMATIC M-16? ROFLMAO!!!

    I think I now FEEL something…that you are full of crap!

  37. Funwithpolitics,

    Move to Florida and incorporate. Florida state law allows a corporation to own any weaponry it deems necessary for its security. This bypasses the local and county level problems, so if you can meet muster with the ATF you can have your M-16 – though you might want to try the G3KA4A1 instead.

  38. D’oh, GBS, you got me(clutching chest in faux agony). But seriously, get off the floor man. You look like an idiot rolling there laughing.

    First of all, I never said republicans killed my gun choices… I just said having a republican president never really helped.

    Jonolan – good plan, but I don’t wanna go through all that trouble to fully realize my 2nd amendment rights.

    Oh well GBS, you’re right about one thing- that Mexican food I just had for lunch didn’t really agree with me so I’m going to have to release all that stuff you said I’m full of – you are so insightful!

  39. GBS –
    Another blog troll bites the dust!

  40. Again with the scarcasm. Is it really that hard to come up with one concrete reason why to vote for Obama? All your scarcasm and name calling does is just show that you are an uneducated waste of breath who agrees with everything he is told. How about telling us HOW and WHAT Obama will change will change, and not just utter “changefrombush.” Thank you for your time.

    God Bless America

  41. Please forgive my typo in my previous comment.

  42. Sorry Sharpright, I think Freddie Mercury himself would disagree with your use of his words. I thought I yet again disproved GBS’s comments in his last post, but you wouldn’t be a Republican if you didn’t call yourself the winner before all the votes were in now would you.

    Lighter, what the heck other reason do I need than – I think out of the two choices, Obama will take us in a different direction than the last 8 years?

    You keep asking for concrete reasons. Did you seriously sit there and come up with concrete reasons to vote for George Bush in the last two elections(besides that he was on your party’s ticket)? Well, if you did make a list – I’m sure he blew that right out of the water.
    He failed domestically and brought us to the brink of another depression. He’s failed internationally and alienated alot of our allies in the world while at the same time keeping us in a perpetual war with an unconventional enemy. There isn’t going to be a treaty of surrender signing with Al Qaeda in the end(if there is an end). No Appomattox Courthouse, no deck of the USS Missouri. If you kill one terrorist, you piss off his family and two or three or more take his place, if they’re not already in it.

    I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again – I like McCain(moreso back in 2000). But unfortunately, his party and yours, is the one that put that nimrod Bush in office. If McCain ran Independent or ran with no party affiliation(the way it should be) I might give him a second look.

    It saddens me that one of the greatest Americans – George Washington – has a city named after him that everyone dispises. “Washington is corrupt,” “Washington is disconnected from the people.” You know what else is sad? Washington gave a bit of advice to the American people in his farewell address – don’t form political parties and don’t get involved heavily in the matters of other nations. And guess what two of the biggest problems today are – partisanship in government along party lines, and our need to turn every nation in the world into a democracy. I can see McCain leading us into Iran and Pakistan and frankly it scares me.

    Let’s be frank, I’m going to convince you to vote for Obama about as much as you’re going to convince me to vote for McCain. The thing is – I let you have your 8 year mistake. If Obama wins and screws up – you can call me on it in 4.

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