The Palin Minefield: Playing Twister with Vaseline


Playing Twister with Vaseline….now that’s funny.

From Culture 11, we have a great view of just how hard it will be for the Obama/Biden ticket to navigate certain issues.  Culture 11 calls it the minefield….Read it below.  (Hat Tip:  CDR Salamander)

Let’s review the minefield that Team Obama/Biden must navigate with Palin on board.

  • Palin has more executive experience than Obama himself (having run a company, a PTO, a town and then Alaska).
    • WARNING: Bring up the experience issue at your own peril. 
    • SAMPLE: “When Senator Obama started his first run for local office I was already a two-term mayor.  If you simply count the years of experience, I win, frankly.”
       
  • Palin has more direct military experience than Obama and Biden combined having served as Commander of the Alaskan National Guard:
    • WARNING: Don’t fuss with military issues.  Be cautious around foreign affairs.
    • SAMPLE: “Alaska has a shared border with Canada and shared Islands with Russia.  Illinois and Deleware…mmm… not so much.  I’ve actually commanded hundreds of military volunteers in person not just from a DC hearing room.”
       
  • Palin is pro-life in ways that other just aren’t.  Namely, the pro-life decision she made was real.
    • WARNING: Don’t even bring up the word “abortion” around her
    • SAMPLE: “Since everybody’s worried about my experience I’d like to know how Senator Biden might react if he were in my shoes.  Abortion isn’t just some idealogical issue for me… I’ve had the face the very real decision.  So I ask you, Senator Biden, what would you do if your family faced a similar choice?”
       
  • Palin solidifies the so-con vote by demonstrating unquestionable social conservative values (it doesn’t hurt that she has 5 kids)
    • WARNING: Don’t come even close to using motherhood as a leverage against her qualificaitons
    • SAMPLE: “I believe I’ve given birth to 5-times as many children as Sentaors Obama and Biden combined.”
       
  • Palin taps into the Hillary vote giving a voice to mothers and women across the country when Obama wouldn’t even vet her.
    • WARNING: Don’t imply that the Palin pick was just a play to women or even remotely hint at chauvinistic overtones
    • SAMPLE: “Are you saying that women shouldn’t be excited about this opportunity?  Are you saying that there isn’t a glass ceiling.
       
  • Palin was a former sportscaster and journalist
    • WARNING TO THE PRESS: She’s one of your own.
    • SAMPLE: “Hey George, like you, I’ve had a foot in politics and a foot in journalism.  My timing was just opposite of yours.  I realized that journalism is great and all but real change comes through sacrifice and service.”
       
  • Palin was a beauty pageant contestant so she could pay for school with the scholarship
    • WARNING TO NOW: Don’t diss her pagaent story until you actually hear it
    • SAMPLE: “I entered the beauty pagaent because sports scholarships for women in the 1980s were almost unheard of. So sue me.”
       
  • Palin is a lifetime member of the NRA and use to hunt elk
    • WARNING: Biden, avoid your terrible history on the 2nd right amendment .
    • SAMPLE: “Like Senator Obama, I agree with and I’m proud of the recent Supreme Court decision.  I’ve been a hunter all my life.  In fact when my parents found out about Senator McCain’s decision they were on a caribou hunting trip.  I think my dad is like many people in this country as he follows this heated debate: he said: ‘I’d rather go moose hunting than be involved with politics.’  Sometimes, so would I.”  

  • Palin fought corruption in an AK GOP party that was (and still is) full of it
    • WARNING: Careful around the “ethical” issues
    • SAMPLE: “Like Chicago politics, Alaska politics can sometimes get dirty.  In my case I fought my own party tooth and nail for substantive change.  I’ll let voters decide what Barack Obama did in Chicago.”
       
  • She’s a true outsider who’s likable, young, articulate, devout, down to earth.
    • WARNING: Don’t much about trying to stick the DC inexperience on her.
    • SAMPLE: “You know, some reporters were shocked and amazed that I have never appeared on any Sunday political talk shows.  I think many Americans would accord that as a medal of honor.”

All of these items show serious head pounding variables that the Democrats and the liberal media must take into account.  But were’ not done.  Consider also:

  • Palin is a former union member, her spouse is still union member
  • She knows the energy and oil issues like the back of her hand (or her husband’s hand who actually worked on an oil rig)
  • Palin has actually BEEN to the Alaska Wildlife Reserves
  • Palin is a conservative environmentalist and outdoorsman who understands the issues well
  • Palin owns one home
  • Palin has left the MSM stammering to find information about her
  • Palin has left the Obama campaign stammering to find information about her
  • Palin can tell you what the price of milk is
  • Palin cut costs across the board in Alaska
  • Palin got rid of the “bridge to nowhere”
  • Palin has put Biden back in a box
  • The expectations game plays in her favor

Yes, she has a lot to prove on the national stage but she brings A LOT to the table that conservatives can get excited about.

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54 Responses

  1. Yoo Hoo! Lefty nitwits…where are you?

  2. Personally, I find the idea of Gov Palin and a Twister mat smeared with Vaseline somewhat intriguing. Let me know the time and place.

    Regards,
    Joe Biden

  3. That’s pretty funny JB

  4. Sarah Palin:

    1)Raised taxes as the Gov. of Alaska.
    2)Wants to teach creationism in Science Class, subverting the US Constitution.
    3)Tried to get books banned at the local library. – kind of like Hitler
    4)Fired her entire staff 10 days into term as mayor, for lack of loyalty.
    5)Used every available lever to get an enemy fired from his job, and is still lying about it.
    6)Put a gag order on her administration as mayor of a town of 6500.
    7)Milked the Federal Government for huge series of earmarks, by using lobbyists. The highest per capita earmarker in the nation: Palin (27 Million for a town of 6500).
    8)Doesn’t believe in global warming.
    9)Used Alaska First as her campaign slogan, which is the same one as her husband’s old party, the AIP, a secessionist organization she recorded a supportive piece for this year!
    10)Misled America about the Bridge to Nowhere, in her first national speech (she supported it and only killed it after the funding was cut).
    11)Wants to ban stem cell research. – doesn’t beleive in science!
    12)Is on the record stating the Iraq war ”is a task from God.” – yes, we love wasting $10B and the scores of US soldiors on this. Support our troops, not the war!
    13)In July when interviewed about the possibility of being the VP she stated that she did not know what the VP did.
    14)Left her town Mayoralty with a huge debt, having outspent all around in her (21 MILION in debt). – some fiscal responsibility

  5. Tara,
    Please do your homework….
    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

  6. When she has the guts to appear anywhere and answer questions about anything of substance, she will be proven as the pick of desperation that she is. The truth will be known and it won’t damage the democratic ticket in the least.

    Go ahead and spin, we’ll play twister with you. Sure McCain can turn around 180 degrees in an instant, and Palin seems quite adept at flip-flopping also. But to win the game of vaseline twister you must keep your feet firmly planted on the truth. And that alone will be the republicans undoing.

    The american public has had enough of the lies.

  7. an actual human,
    I hope that “desperation” pick takes McCain straight to the White House…..

    Funny how you talk about truth …. so far all the left and Obama have done is dig up anything they can on Palin….throw it out there ….and see if it sticks….
    None of it has because there was no truth to the nasty rumors.

    You wouldn’t know truth if it came up and bit you!

  8. Sharprightturn,
    “nothing sticks?”
    -She still trots out how she sold the state’s jet as a good thing? Having dropped the first part of the lie, that it was sold on ebay. She still fails to mention the plane was sold at a loss, ultimately costing Alaska money. It would have benefitted her state more to NOT sell it.

    I could go on and on about her littany of lies, but bottom line. Nobody needs to throw issues out there and “see if they stick”.

    The truth is self evident, a lie is a lie. She’s a liar, it’s a plain and undeniable FACT. Her lies will stick to her without any help from anyone, and she can’t escape the truth.

  9. an actual human,
    Actually it would have benefitted the state of Alaska more never to have purchased the plane.
    But getting rid of it, even at a loss, saves money.
    (She sold it for $2.1M and it had been purchased for $2.7M a $600K loss.

    She sold it because it was costing taxpayers ongoing money to keep it. She sold it because it wasn’t necessary. The state of Alaska no longer pays for ongoing maintenance, operations, taxes, insurance or any other fees associated with the plane.

    Over time, that all computes as a savings to the people of Alaska.

    You need to quit reading chain e-mails and do some reading…..99% of the crap thrown at Palin has been proven as untrue and/or greatly exaggerated.

  10. I concede that it would have saved the state money to have never purchased the plane, and that, as I understand it, it was an inherited problem for her, not one of her own choosing.

    But you attempt to divert from the real issue. The real issue is that she mischaracterizes (to the point of out and out lies) a large number of issues. This being only one, which you have completely failed to prove anything less than a complete mischaracterization on her part, and most likely a knowing lie.

    Let’s move on to the next on Palin’s ‘greatest hits list’.

    “Thanks but no thanks to the ‘bridge to nowhere’.” I guess she is being sort of honest here, but again mischaracterizes. “Thanks” she was for it, “but no thanks” then she was against it. What she leaves out, which is a lie by omission, (from what I am hearing) Alaska kept the money earmarked for that project.

    Do you care to show me some facts about how that is not true? I am perfectly willing to accept factual evidence into the public record.

    And to make matters worse for you poor right wingers, McCain gets busted on the view claiming Palin did NOT take earmark money (meaning not only from the ‘bridge to nowhere’ money, but any earmark money at all).

    It just keeps getting harder and harder to defend something that isn’t true, doesn’t it?

  11. “It just keeps getting harder and harder to defend something that isn’t true, doesn’t it?”

    You are SO RIGHT…er…CORRECT!

    I get up every morning thinking ‘how on earth am I going to convince people that this guy is actually QUALIFIED to be President?’

    He’s been a US Senator for two and a half years…and I’ve been doing this stuff for 35 frickin’ YEARS! If we were back in the Capitol, he’d be barely qualified to carry my coat and get my coffee. Instead, I’m stuck defending him. I’m an idiot for getting myself into this mess. I don’t know how much longer I can keep it up.

    Regards,
    Joe Biden

    Oh yeah…vote Obama!

  12. JB, don’t know for sure what to make of it.

    But all I can say is. The president will assemble around them people to help in every area of expertise, a given for any administration.

    I can only speak for myself, but I would by far prefer the kind of president Obama would be. That is to say forward thinking and open minded, a candidate of REAL change. And he brings to his side a man with 35 years experience, by your own admission. This is the move of an itellegent man that will do America good.

    McCain picks Palin at the 11th hour 59th minute, a woman whose short experience I have not disparaged in any way? But who, I am trying to point out to you, is a liar? This is his pick, as ONE of the many people to follow, that he will gather around him?

    McCain’s ‘more of the same’ platform, suddenly trying to co-opt on Obama’s very message of change, and adding an 11th hour liar for a VP is weak and desperate.

    Obama picking Biden is a well thought and intellegent pick that shows how great his presidency will be. When his ideas on real change are paired with expert opinions, both old and new from all sides, that actually get listened to and considered, you will see true change that is good for all of America.

  13. actual,

    The word is INTELLIGENT. Try not to repeatedly misspell important words when you are attempting to convince everyone how smart you are. It’s similar to writing “your stoopid”.

    If Biden was such an “intellegent” pick, then why was he so radioactive to Democrat voters during the primary? Palin probably got more votes when she was elected governor of Alaska than Biden did during the whole primary. Biden may have 35 years in the Senate, but there’s a reason that no one beyond Delaware wants to vote for the guy.

    Darn right you don’t want to talk about experience. The Republican #2 is short, but so is the Democrat #1…and that’s a BIG problem. What’s worse (and very amusing), the Obama campaign and their ‘fellow travelers’ seem to think they are running against Palin instead of McCain. She has gotten in their heads BIG TIME. They are creating so much RF interference with their nasty BS that anything that might be legitimate gets lost.

    Lastly, how can you have the slightest clue what kind of President that Obama will be? Most of his rhetoric is ‘pie in the sky’. He doesn’t get pressed on how any of the domestic stuff might work without pushing this country straight over the bankruptcy cliff. He’s a traditional tax-and-spend liberal with the most overused and trite political mantra in existence…”change”.

  14. Sorry I’m not really too overly concerned about spell checking. I don’t write for a living, I’m just a simple guy who is sick of the lies. I’m a middle class American that the republicans are trying so hard to connect with.

    “why was he [Biden] so radioactive to Democrat voters during the primary?” I’m not certain what you’re driving at, but my guess is you’re asking why Biden didn’t end up the selection for President, that is what the primary is about.

    My answer would be simple, because he wasn’t right for the Pres slot, he is right for the VP slot.

    And just to be clear, I’m happy to go toe to toe on the experience issue if you have anything to say about it.

    What is it you feel makes it a certainty that Obama can’t do what he says? Of course I am aware it is quite difficult to prove the negative (I won’t fault you for failing to be able to prove he can’t do something). We can only operate on the KNOWN FACTS. I am bringing the facts of Palin’s record to light, which go directly to the proof of her lack of morality, complete self-interest, and power grabbing nature.

    Obama’s past record is head and shoulders above Palin’s and McCain’s for that matter. It goes to show a caring about people over self-interest at every turn.

    “Most of his rhetoric is ‘pie in the sky’. He doesn’t get pressed on how any of the domestic stuff might work without pushing this country straight over the bankruptcy cliff.” I’m sorry can you provide any proof of this claim? His SPECIFICS he HAS provided detail a plan that is EASILY paid for by taxing the fat cats that earn over $250,000 a year, and CUTTING taxes for middle class Americans that earn less.

    If you remember Bill Clinton lead this country to an economic SURPLUS, that was squandered and spent by the republican administration in a fraction of the time it took to become fiscally sound. Democrats balance the budget AND bring in more beyond. Republicans toss ‘tax and spend’ around as an epithet and then try to lower taxes while spending record amounts on shameless pork and wasteful projects.

    The facts on record prove you wrong at every turn. You can’t run from the truth. But keep trying, it IS quite a laugh.

  15. Oh I almost forgot.

    “with the most overused and trite political mantra in existence…’change’.” Oh you mean the trite political mantra that McCain is attempting to run on, the trite political mantra that can be seen on numerous signs surrounding McCain at every stop now? You mean the trite political mantra that McCain is trying to co-opt on at the 11th hour because he doesn’t have a single better mantra available to him? That’s the mantra you’re speaking of, and you’re trying to paint that as a bad thing? It will prove pretty bad for McCain I assure you, because it’s a lie in his case, it’s not a lie in Obama’s case, which is why he has inspired record numbers of new voters, because they can sense the truth when he says it.

    And even a child knows a ‘copy-cat’ when they see one.

  16. actual,

    What is funny is watching you people try to defend this guy. You’re darned right he’s inspired record numbers of new voters. The problem is that they seem to be shifting away from him with each passing day.

    Let’s take a look at a few things…

    “(Biden) wasn’t right for the Pres slot, he is right for the VP slot.”

    Ok…you got me. How can I argue with that? The guy with the actual EXPERIENCE is only right for the VP slot. Score one for you! LOL!

    “Obama’s past record is head and shoulders above Palin’s and McCain’s for that matter.”

    Excuse me…my drink just sprayed out my nose! Obama’s record of WHAT? He doesn’t have one except for 2.5 years in the US Senate, most of which he’s spent running for President. Before that? The Illinois Legislature…how many “present” votes was that? Before that? I guess we can’t go there…

    “His SPECIFICS he HAS provided detail a plan that is EASILY paid for by taxing the fat cats that earn over $250,000 a year, and CUTTING taxes for middle class Americans that earn less.”

    Oh, well…if he’s provide a plan…what else is there to say? Fat cats? You mean those people smart enough, talented enough, and motivated enough to have a job that pays well? You know, a two income family with two reasonably successful people in their 40s easily yields $250K a year. In a place like New York City or San Diego, making 250K will allow you to comfortably afford a real estate in a decent neighborhood. I guess we shouldn’t doubt that squeezing more money from the these “fat cats” will yield enough to fund all these other programs, reduce the deficit, and give you a cut of their money. We’ll just take it on face value.

    “If you remember Bill Clinton lead this country to an economic SURPLUS”. Yes…I remember…and Bill Clinton isn’t ANYWHERE on this ticket. It’s OBAMA and BIDEN. Step into the next decade. However, since you brought it up…that budget surplus voodoo was the result of a perfect storm of increased federal revenue generated by BUSINESS during one of the most rapid advances in human technology ever PLUS…Squeezing the heck out things like the defense budget while using the military in the Middle East and Bosnia PLUS…Adding in Social Security revenues, which well exceeded payouts at the time. I guess we should also overlook the RECESSION he left his successor. I don’t suppose that had much impact on federal revenues? I suppose the Democrats missed all the sessions, votes, and were having dinner when all these “pork projects” were put together? Who has ran the Congress for the past two years? Has the deficit gotten better or worse?

    In the end, it may not much matter. Obama is showing that he is the President of Amateur Hour. His latest ads are blowing up in his face…

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/09/021498.php

    Either he has NO CONTROL over his campaign message, or he’s a moron. Keep the faith…

  17. I Think the score right now is something like this:

    GBS – 10
    An acutal human – 0

  18. Don’t worry Shartrightturn, I haven’t forgotten about you. We’ll go over your miscalculation point by point. Just let me get a few things straight here.

  19. First let me make it perfectly clear. John McCain is a real American hero, I honor his service to my country. I can not imagine what it takes to endure the unimaginable physical and mental pain he was put through in that prisoner camp. I have never said anything but this to my friends and family, it is a given.

    The guy was a hero in the war, and has gone on to serve our country in the government. I would never try to deny any of that.

    I want this statement on it’s own, and before I continue to refute the various claims presented here. Nothing I have said or am about to say will ever deny these facts.

  20. GBS, in no particular order, here’s where you’re wrong.

    The link to the ad you provide is Obama finally playing some hard ball, I agree. The fact that McCain can not physically type on a keyboard is as a result of his service to this country. So you’ve explained WHY the assertion the ad makes is TRUE, but you can’t seem to refute the claim that, that physical fact says something about McCain, and his life EXPERIENCE.

    His years in Washington say something about McCain’s life EXPERIENCE.

    Let me jump to where I’m going with this. McCain’s personal life experience does not make him better to lead this country. His life experience makes him part of the ‘old-boy network’, it makes him part of the ‘business as usual’ political machine that has ground America under it’s boot heel for 8 years now. It is the kind of experience we DON’T need in a president.

    Obama’s being a relative political outsider gives him fresh perspective, and allows him to think outside the box. But in addition to that, he is wise enough to gather around him people (like Biden) that have been involved in that scene. Because who better to help you break into that ‘old-boy network’ than someone who has been there?

    Obama’s is the more well rounded approach, that is capable of bringing fresh ideas to fruition, by working IN the system, but from a fresh, new, ‘outside the box’ approach.

    McCain’s more of the same record and planned approach if he were president, reflects nothing but how far out of touch he is with real Americans. We have had ENOUGH of that approach.

    Next on the hit list, some real math and ACTUAL economics. More truth you can’t refute, after I grab a fresh cup of coffee, stay tuned.

  21. “The fact that McCain can not physically type on a keyboard is as a result of his service to this country. So you’ve explained WHY the assertion the ad makes is TRUE, but you can’t seem to refute the claim that, that physical fact says something about McCain, and his life EXPERIENCE.”

    Ahhh…WHAT?

    The assertion of the ad is that McCain an out of touch Luddite. You’re pissing into the wind here…

  22. I really do not know much about economics, as McCain himself admits, of course I’m not running for president. It was however very interesting to research this a bit (you should try it).

    As stated by these sources:
    http://research.stlouisfed.org/publications/review/03/09/Kliesen.pdf

    http://web.mit.edu/asmendel/14.02-materials/C5%20Box%20Recession.pdf

    http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2006/08/the_2001_recess.html

    Any recession is affected by a great many factors and can not really be completely attributed to specific policies, but policy has it’s impact to be sure. Recession and boom economy follow patterns which are, in a small part, predictable. Clinton had the luck of coming in when the economy was on an upswing, and leaving as it was just about to see a down-turn.

    I freely admit he was graced with that good luck. In addition though, good policy DID help improve what he was lucky enough to inherit. As is stated in the links I provided, Bush’s tax cuts are widely noted for having been right during the recession, which was short and shallow, but those cuts should have been cancelled when the recession was over. Instead Bush kept on with the same failed republican policy of trying to cut taxes while spending too much. Reducing income and increasing expenses only leads to one thing. Simple math, but it seems to elude McCain just like it does Bush. More business as usual from the republicans.

    “that budget surplus voodoo” you say? It may seem like ‘magic’ to you, but it’s easily demonstrated with pretty simple principles. You and McCain might want to do a little reading, it will de-mystify the issue for you, and bring an awareness that economics is not magic. It’s very complex, it takes a well thought out approach that has fiscal sensibility and a BALANCED BUDGET at it’s core.

    If the republican approach could achieve a balanced budget it would have done so by now. Even if we were to attribute the surplus during Clinton ENTIRELY to luck, well it looks like dems have better luck than the repulicans. If you want to tell me I’m ‘gambling’ on Obama, I’m happy to put my bet behind the side that has proven to be more ‘lucky’. The democrats have a proven track record, McCain’s more of the same policys? not so much.

    Next spin of the twister needle, ACTUAL income of ACTUAL human Americans.

  23. “The assertion of the ad is that McCain an out of touch Luddite. You’re pissing into the wind here…”

    If you had read my entire comment you would have seen this part. “McCain’s more of the same record and planned approach if he were president, reflects nothing but how far out of touch he is with real Americans. We have had ENOUGH of that approach.”

    Reading comprehension and completeness would really help your cause. I stated clearly that I am aware the ad is maintaining McCain is out of touch. I also stated clearly how HE IS OUT OF TOUCH.

  24. an actual human,
    you said:
    “Obama’s being a relative political outsider gives him fresh perspective, and allows him to think outside the box. But in addition to that, he is wise enough to gather around him people (like Biden) that have been involved in that scene. Because who better to help you break into that ‘old-boy network’ than someone who has been there?”

    I guess you are not aware that Obama rose through the ranks in the traditional Chicago thuggery elite….you know…the Daleys, Rezko, Wright….you call that getting out of the ‘ol boy network?
    In addition, the main reason Obama chose Joe Biden is because he felt it would bolster his foreign policy cred….
    Contrast that with John McCain who is has proven that he will fight the Washington status quo with zero earmarks in 25 years..he has also fought his own party where he saw fit. AND he bolstered his own strengths with the choice of Sarah Palin, who, by the way also took on the good ‘ol boys and her own party.
    Seems a weak argument when your candidate has to choose a VP to fill gaps in his abilities….while the competitor choose a running mate that emphasizes his actual strengths and who is CLEARLY not part of the “old-boy network”.

    YOu also said: “Obama’s is the more well rounded approach, that is capable of bringing fresh ideas to fruition, by working IN the system, but from a fresh, new, ‘outside the box’ approach.”

    Well, let’s see… I have already mentioned Obama’s Chicago thuggery ties….Did you know that Obama unleashed his attorneys on a conservative group who ran an ad outlining Obama’s relationship with Bill Ayers? He also put pressure on TV stations not to show it…The Obama campaign requested strongly that the Justice Department prosecute in that particular instance.
    He also directed his campaign to have his supporters inundate a talk show host in Chicago simply for interviewing a respected journalist who had the audacity to investigate Obama’s relationship with Bill Ayers?

    Is is your idea of “fresh ideas” and change to prosecute those who speak out and investigate a candidate’s relationships? This is one example of many.

    You also said: “McCain’s more of the same record and planned approach if he were president, reflects nothing but how far out of touch he is with real Americans. We have had ENOUGH of that approach.”

    If you think the use of e-mail or not is pertinent to the credentials of a Presidential candidiate, you are the one out of touch. Did you know that most Presidents won’t even use e-mail themselves while in office? There are various reasonse for that….a main one being that they will run the risk of others replying with questionable ideas/words and/or they simply can’t read or answer it due to time constraints. That very simply fact can leave them vulnerable to attacks such as yours…that they are out of touch and don’t use e-mail or they don’t take their office seriously enough to answer it…..this is a fact. If Obama is elected and if he has one brain in his head, he will take the same approach with e-mail as President.
    E-mail use is really not a great argument about a person’s readiness.

    As far as being out of touch…you really haven’t given any examples of how “in-touch” Obama is….or any meaty examples of how McCain is out of touch.

    So far you have said Obama is forward thinking with no facts to back it up…you’ve called Palin a liar with not proof to back it up, and you’ve said McCain is “out of touch” with nothing to back it up except e-mail use and ‘his hero status doesn’t matter.”

    You are long on Obama infatuation and short on concrete facts.

  25. You really are digging yourself deeper and deeper with this one.
    “You know, a two income family with two reasonably successful people in their 40s easily yields $250K a year. In a place like New York City or San Diego, making 250K will allow you to comfortably afford a real estate in a decent neighborhood”

    For your edification some REAL stats:
    http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Country=United_States/Salary

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

    http://www.ask.com/bar?q=average+income+in+usa&page=1&qsrc=121&ab=0&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fcommunity%2Futils%2Fidmap%2F13424846.story

    First of all, the $250 k number (in Obama’s plan) is for an INDIVIDUAL, not a couple. But lets run with your number that is 100% in error right from the start. The VAST MAJORITY of Americans, based on ANY source you can find, make much less than $100 k a year (that adds up to less than $200k for those of you who are mathmatically challenged).

    And in theory the majority are who gets a president elected. In practice of course because of the electoral college, the republicans have clearly been able to ‘game the system’ enough to usurp the POPULAR (read majority) opinion.

    Your assertion that “two reasonably successful people in their 40s easily yield[s] $250K a year.” is a COMPLETE LIE. Try and support it with real numbers, you can’t. You can’t fake the truth, the truth stands on it’s own merits, and is self-evident, for all to see.

    The truth that the VAST MAJORITY of Americans earn much less than in your ‘pipe dream’ scenario, and the fact that the majority of Americans have seen their income decline in the past years, is going to bite the republican party where it hurts most, THE ELECTION. You will lose because the vast majority of Americans are sick of the lies and failed policies.

  26. Again, Sharprightturn, I will get to you in a moment. In the mean time you might want to read the facts which I DID post links to above. You seem to be skimming over my comments as well.

  27. Actual Human,

    I didn’t skim your remarks and I will take issue with something you have said. You said the following:

    Has it ever occurred to you that the reason he inherited such a good economy was because of one Ronald Reagan? Has it ever occurred to you that the reason our economy went south as he was leaving office was because of his own policies? Just something to think about.

  28. Well, I failed to paste the quote. Here it is.

    Any recession is affected by a great many factors and can not really be completely attributed to specific policies, but policy has it’s impact to be sure. Recession and boom economy follow patterns which are, in a small part, predictable. Clinton had the luck of coming in when the economy was on an upswing, and leaving as it was just about to see a down-turn.

  29. “What is funny is watching you people try to defend this guy.” Just a reminder, I came here to attack Palin, not defend Obama. I just couldn’t bear to let the lies go unchallenged. But I will sure point out to all of you where you are wrong about Obama, point by point. That doesn’t mean I will let your weak attempts to deflect me from proving Palin a liar will go unaswered. I like you setting up the lies like bowling pins so I can knock them down one by one. I’d just like to refute every one of your falsehoods about Obama before I continue to shine the light of truth on Palin.

    She is, after all, just the VP pick, not the presidential candidate, as you’ve noted earlier. There are two main reasons she is taking so much heat instead of McCain. 1) McCain is the one who picked her and then drug her along on the campaign trail, trotting her out and standing behind her, holding her out for her ‘cult of personality’ appeal. Because he’s got NOTHING, this is the best he could do. 2) Palin has the worst KIND of record, full of lack of ethics, money grabbing politics, and personal self-interest over governance scandals.

    I was only put in the position of defending Obama when you all have COMPLETELY FAILED to defend Palin against a SINGLE allegation leveled against her.

    And so on that note, I will address the issues of Obama’s record and experience next, and call that a done deal, I don’t really need to defend him, only point out the facts again to you. And I will then return to the point for my posting here, TO DEBUNK THE LIES OF PALIN.

  30. Actual Human,

    You say no one has defended any allegation leveled at Sarah Palin? What about the lie about her raising taxes on the town of Wasilla. The media is putting that one out like it is the gospel when in fact, the taxes were in the form of a bond issue that was put before the citizens of Wasilla that they voted on and passed. The bond issue was to build a building that would double as a hockey rink and convention center and would bring in revenue to the city.

    Which one would you care to discuss next?

  31. Here’s how the experience issue breaks down. Your words put Obama in the Senate for 2.5 years. Then you very quickly point out “I guess you are not aware that Obama rose through the ranks in the traditional Chicago thuggery elite….you know…the Daleys, Rezko, Wright….you call that getting out of the ‘ol boy network?”

    ACTUALLY I am aware of that, it goes directly to my point I’m trying to make to you.

    First of all, those are years BEFORE he was in the senate. So if you’re going to impune his ACTIONS while he was EXPERIENCING politics first-hand, you have to add this experience to his 2.5 years in Senate.

    Second, I never said or implied this “you call that getting out of the ‘ol boy network?” I call that getting in there and getting dirty, I call that beating them at their own game of “traditional Chicago thuggery elite”. And what did he accomplish all the while he was gathering this experience? He improved the lives of real people in a neighborhood that was in great need. He didn’t take high priced jobs or live the life of the elite, he rolled up his sleeves, got dirty, beat them at their own game, and accomplished good things for good people. This is what I call change we CAN believe in.

    This is real experience, over the course of more than 2.5 years. And sure, getting there and doing real work as a politician will get you your shares of scandals. Fighting “traditional Political thuggery elitism” is tough like that. But in WELL over 2.5 years Obama has relatively few skeletons in his closet. And NOTHING that has ‘stuck’ enough to even have the whiff of a scandal on the scale I’m about to talk about for Palin.

    It’s not just a measure of time served, though that must be taken into account. It is more a measure of your record during that tenure that matters. McCain’s 26 years in Senate, go in part to the fact that he has been corrupted by the ‘ol boy network, to the tune of 10 TIMES as much as Obama has. His accomplishments during that time? He’s lead many ‘maverick’ ideas to fruition, I’ll give him that, a while ago. But on his voting record with Bush? 90% agreement with Bush over his presidency? 95% agreement in the last year, when approval ratings are at an all time high? That is no maverick, that is no record to run on. Obama’s proven ability to get good work done in the toughest of conditions speaks volumes about why he will make the better president.

    I’m sorry but your weak attempts at trying to impune Obama’s experience only make my point for me.

    I rest my case on that account.

  32. Oh just another quick one, before I get back to the real reason I’m here.

    “Has it ever occurred to you that the reason he inherited such a good economy was because of one Ronald Reagan? Has it ever occurred to you that the reason our economy went south as he was leaving office was because of his own policies? Just something to think about.”

    Yes Larry, it did occur to me. As I pointed out right there, “Clinton had the luck of coming in when the economy was on an upswing, and leaving as it was just about to see a down-turn. I freely admit he was graced with that good luck.” Yes Larry, again I freely admit Clinton was the beneficiary of some great luck coming out of the Reagan years. What Clinton also did was to capitalize on that good luck with sound policy.

    Reading comprehension for the win again people.

  33. It’s funny that you would attribute what Clinton did to sound policy and what Reagan did to luck. Very strange, that comment.

    As for my reading comprehension, I think I am doing quite well, thank you very much. I fully understand what you are trying to say, I just don’t agree with it.

  34. Well you got me there, I re-read it, and I have to admit, that does SOUND like what I’m saying. I don’t mean to imply that. I admit, to the extent that policy can affect the economy, Reagan’s policy had a positive effect. An effect that Clinton benefitted from when he came into office, and continued to apply policy to, stimulating the economy further in his own right (once again with the stipulation) to the extent that policy CAN change the economy.

  35. “Any recession is affected by a great many factors and can not really be completely attributed to specific policies, but policy has it’s impact to be sure. Recession and boom economy follow patterns which are, in a small part, predictable. Clinton had the luck of coming in when the economy was on an upswing, and leaving as it was just about to see a down-turn.”

    Precisely!

    Presidents attempt to take way too much credit for when things are going well, and are assigned way too much blame when the normal economic cycle turns against them. Clinton was President during a time of unusually high growth and prosperity. Did he do anything to push it along? Perhaps, but ultimately, it was very much business and technology driven. Hence, the rapid increase in federal revenues GREATLY helped his position. By the way, which party was in control of Congress during this period? How much blame are Democrats trying to hang on Bush for the current troubles?

    Next point…income levels…

    You said…

    “First of all, the $250 k number (in Obama’s plan) is for an INDIVIDUAL, not a couple.”

    Wrong again…Obama’s own stated threshold for an individual is $200K…$250K is for a couple.

    You said…

    “Your assertion that “two reasonably successful people in their 40s easily yield[s] $250K a year.” is a COMPLETE LIE.”

    Wrong again! Wow 0-3. A successful, dual income, college educated couple in their 40s has been working in their fields for upwards of 20 years. They both are now in at least mid-level, if not senior managerial positions. There are countless positions in government and business that pay over 100K. Don’t talk to me about median or average income. Those figures don’t represent any specific situation. My spouse and I have college educations, worked successful careers, and earned more than your “fat cat” level even in our thirties (mine working for the federal government, her’s in business). Living somewhere in, say Oklahoma, I’ll admit you’re doing pretty well if you can get paid like that. However, in a place like Southern California, a family home in a decent neighborhood with good schools will cost anywhere from $750K to $1M. I know it first-hand. If you want to stay out of foreclosure, you’d better be making that much.

    My point is that Obama and the rest of the Democrats are pushing all this class warfare BS. People make all sorts of choices in life…some good, some bad. Some are more energetic than others as well. Consequently, some make more than others. People that earn higher incomes may indeed consider themselves fortunate or even “blessed, but it doesn’t make them deserve some “fat cat” label for being successful. They EARNED it!

    The top wage-earners already provide the majority of federal revenue. That’s fine and the way is probably should be. However, this talk about Bush giving a ‘tax break to the wealthy’ is a bunch of fiction. Deductions, exemptions, and credits start to disappear NOW above ~ $100K. The AMT trap, which I fell into several times, catches most people with a family income barely in six figures. It tends to erase many of the Bush tax cut goodies. The family (with a couple of kids) earning $50-100K with a couple of kids has seen the largest percentage reduction in their overall tax liability. If you earn less than that, you don’t pay very much in income taxes, so your dollar reduction is going to be correspondingly less. If you earn more than that, you dollar reduction may be more, but that is you pay at a rate that goes progressively higher with income.

    Don’t show up somewhere thinking you can just attack Palin without talking about the whole thing. You talk about her as if she’s the only one running. Personally, I don’t yet KNOW enough about her to form a definitive judgment. There’s so much interference out there that I don’t know what to believe. What you appear to “know” appears driven completely by partisan prejudice. If you want to support Obama, then fine, but that doesn’t make anything you say about McCain’s VP correct or make Obama somehow invulnerable to discussion. This race is about who is going to be President, but you and others like you have spent way too much time trying fretting about and trying to dig up dirt on the Palin, which just keeps backfiring. From what I’m seeing this morning, it appears that Obama is coming to that conclusion himself. Peace.

  36. “Hence, the rapid increase in federal revenues GREATLY helped his position. By the way, which party was in control of Congress during this period? How much blame are Democrats trying to hang on Bush for the current troubles?”

    Um, how about the exact amount of blame due? You realize that your own Bill O’Reilly admits in his interview with Obama, that the businesses are showing record profits. The technology boost happened during Clinton and he capitalized on it to produce a surplus. Bush took a ‘very short and shallow’ recession followed by a continuing boom, and has produced record joblessness, and falling incomes. Which is better (given the proviso I have always made) to the extent policy CAN affect the economy?

    You might want to support your response with some numbers.

    As to your next assertion, you fail to support it by any numbers (like I did). I’ll dismiss it as complete BS, until you can. And even when you do support them, I’ll point out to you that an ACTUAL AVERAGE HUMAN ACROSS THE WHOLE COUNTRY does not make even $200k FOR A COUPLE. Until you support your claim with ANY NUMBERS at all, you are spouting lies.

    “Don’t show up somewhere thinking you can just attack Palin without talking about the whole thing.” I have been speaking about ‘the whole thing’, and I haven’t even gotten down to really impuning her, nothing is off the table. If you can’t take the heat, you might not want to ask for it “Yoo Hoo! Lefty nitwits…where are you?” If you actually have something more than the weak sauce you’ve presented here, PLEASE BRING IT.

  37. So on to Palin’s greatest hits.

    -Selling the plane: I’LL GIVE YOU THIS ONE. You failed to note that since it was sold, Alaska has spent over $43,000 to fly JUST Palin’s family around, JUST this year. That factors in to the balance of whether it was a net gain or loss.

    But I grant you, my guess is it went something like this.

    Palin ‘we should cut some unnecessary spending’
    Staffer ‘we could sell the jet’
    Palin ‘great idea, we could even auction it on ebay, make it so’
    Staffer goes on to attempt to ebay it, then just sells it through an aviation broker.

    No follow up on what it sold for, no checking on whether, in the balance (considering having to pay for over-priced flights, and lack of flexibility in flight times etc.), it ACTUALLY was a net gain or loss. No ideas to possibly rent it, or any other creative idea.

    Not real ‘outside the box thinking’, but an ATTEMPT to cut costs, I ADMIT.

    Hope you aren’t surprised I lead off with my weakest criticism. More to follow.

  38. “Bush took a ‘very short and shallow’ recession followed by a continuing boom, and has produced record joblessness, and falling incomes.”

    More fiction…To use your own language…

    You might want to support your response with some numbers.

    Regarding income: If you didn’t get the memo that you can earn more than the ‘average’, that’s not my fault. There are many in this world that choose to be more than “average”. Just because you or people like you choose to at McDonalds or Wal-Mart your whole life doesn’t mean that people who do more should carry your load. Maybe you should worry less about what the other guy has, get off the blogs and go make some more money. On the other hand, give your inane logic, it follows that you probably aren’t capable of it. Stick with Obama and his vision of American socialism… maybe you’ll finally get yours.

  39. actual idiot,

    Palin is the governer of state…a very large state. It costs money to fly the governer of a state around. Pull your head out…

  40. “More fiction…To use your own language…You might want to support your response with some numbers”

    Like this maybe?
    http://www.aflcio.org/aboutus/thisistheaflcio/ecouncil/ec08052003f.cfm

    It may be the AFL-CIO website, but they are just reporting on numbers that are a matter of PUBLIC RECORD.

    RECORD (reaching back before Reagan and Clinton) JOBLESSNESS ON BUSH’S WATCH, an unavoidable FACT.

  41. “actual idiot,” Wow GBS, that is really making your point. Name calling is the best you’ve got?

  42. Bridge Road to nowhere scandal. I won’t put up a link, but the ABC interview is available all over YouTube. In the interview Palin admits, she was for the bridge, then against the bridge, then even though the project was stopped, the money still went to Alaska, conveniently packaged as something other than an earmark, the money was used for ‘infrastructure’, which consisted of building a ‘ROAD to nowhere’ instead of a bridge.

    Wow, ‘reformer’ or ‘washington insider shoveling in the pork’? The American public will be the final judge on that count. Doesn’t look too good for the poor girl though.

  43. ROFLMAO!

    I guess I should also call myself an idiot because I’m definitely arguing with one.

    You give me an article from UNION website and call that authoritative source?

    I give you the Bureau of Labor Statistics…

    http://www.bls.gov/cps/prev_yrs.htm

    Avg annual unemployment rate since 1948: 5.6%

    Highest: 9.7% (1982)

    Lowest: 2.9% (1953)

    Annual numbers during Clinton years:
    1993 6.9
    1994 6.1
    1995 5.6
    1996 5.4
    1997 4.9
    1998 4.5
    1999 4.2
    2000 4.0

    Avg annual unemployment rate during Clinton: 5.2%

    Annual unemployment rates during Bush
    2001 4.7
    2002 5.8
    2003 6.0
    2004 5.5
    2005 5.1
    2006 4.6
    2007 4.6

    Avg annual unemployment rate during Bush (2001-2007): 5.2%

    Oh look at that…a declining trend since 2003, just like in 1993…looks like that ‘ol economic cycle you were talking about earlier.

    Granted…the current rate (preliminary) as of August is 6.1%. However, even if this stands as the annual rate, the 8 year average works out to be 5.3%.

    Looks like record unemployment to me…or maybe not.

  44. Oh, hey, lookee here…if I use only the last “half-century”, the average annual rate jumps to 5.9%!

  45. Zing! you got me there. 5.2% vs 5.2% well you’re right, Bush is just about equal to Clinton, given all other variables are about equal as we have agreed above.

    We were talking about McCain-Palin and Obama-Biden, I was just making the point that I’m going with the Democrats record over the Republicans. So I’m not sure your point goes very far. But ok, SCORE ONE FOR YOU.

    I admited right off the bat that was a biased source I quoted, and I’m no expert in these things. I still haven’t seen your support of the % of people across all of America that earn $100k a year or more.

  46. There’s a discussion of US census data that you can get to through this link:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States#cite_note-US_Census_Bureau.2C_distribution_of_personal_income.2C_2006-6

    The problem is that detailed personal/household data doesn’t seem to be typically broken out by age AND educational level. I did find this, although it it is from 2004.

    http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/education/sipp2004w2.html

    In tab 2B, it does show that the average income for a male with a professional degree is over $100K per year.

    Here’s the deal…as I told you, I have personal experience with this demographic. EVERYONE I know that has a college/graduate/professional level education AND has worked steadily in a career fields such as law, medical, business, military, or government for 20+ years ALL make more than 100K per year. Many earn MUCH more. There is nothing magic or somehow unequal about it. It is no great revelation that people with higher levels of education, especially in high demand areas of study, tend to make the more than those who don’t. People who stick with and work hard in their chosen career field typically advance and earn pay raises. It is the going rate for someone with a high level of education, experience, and proficiency. If they work in an high cost area such as Southern California or New York City, then they typically get paid even more. If they have a spouse of equal educational and professional background, the household income can double to well over $200K.

    A high earned income may be the definition of professional success, but is it really the definition of rich? These are the people that are in the TOP half of that ‘median’ and pull the ‘average’ UP. People like this should be held up as examples for others to follow, not demonized by politicians trying to pander to those that, for whatever reason, earn less.

    A kid came to my door yesterday selling some kind of cleaning product ostensibly to help him earn money for college. He looks at my house (nice, but not a mansion), sees my cars (newer, but not luxury), and asks ‘how did you get all this’. I told him that I went to college, got a job, and earned the money over a long period of time. I then asked a few questions and then gave him a SPECIFIC, achievable roadmap for him to do the same thing. I don’t know if he’ll try to do it, but that’s his choice. There are millions of kids like him that often squander their youth and the opportunities that are staring them in the face if they would simply CHOOSE to see them and act. If they don’t, then frankly, they become the ones that pull the average down for the rest of us.

    If Obama, or ANYONE said that the most successful needed to pay a bit more to help balance the budget, and would then ACTUALLY DO IT, most everyone I know would get behind it. However, what Obama is essentially saying is that successful people should be forced through higher taxes to give some of their money to people who don’t earn as much. Under his plan, people who pay little or even no income tax would receive a “tax break”. That’s not only wrong, it’s counter-productive. It’s something Karl Marx would understand and endorse. It does NOTHING to RAISE the average, the median, or any other metric of personal income growth. It simply rewards the poor life decisions that people all to frequently make.

  47. How are you liking your ‘teflon VP’ now? Hilarious to watch her plummet in the polls. Ethics matter, lack of ethics is a killer.

    Just to finish it off here, and leave you right wing elitists to your sandbox in peace.

    GBS: I went to college, I have a degree, I have a family, and from this I know for a fact, your numbers do not represent the OVERWHELMING majority of Americans. How overwhelming? You’ll see on Nov 4th.

    -If you’re buying those numbers as a representation of America as a whole…
    -If delivery people come to your house and say “How did you get all this?”…
    -If you think everyone with ability, talent, perserverance and a degree earns more than $125k a year…

    YOU JUST MAY BE A FAT-CAT!! Completely out of touch and resting on your laurels, don’t worry about anyone else, just keep your inner fat-cat fed.

    Did you manage to scuttle your stocks in time? Sleeping on a wad of cash in your mattress?
    No need to answer rhetorical questions. Have fun with your utopia Bush has created, or maybe you need to horde some cash offshore so the evil Obama administration won’t get their ‘socialist’ hands on it! What a laugh.

  48. Actual Loser,

    I’ve seen you trolling around other sites as well.

    I realize that neither facts nor my experience apply to all…least of all YOU. If you want to characterize my life experience as “out of touch”, then so be it. Here’s my “out of touch” take on YOU.

    YOU must be the idiot that brings down the average for the rest of us. You can’t go and get your own, you feel powerless and embittered because you are a loser. Despite an “education”, you can’t seem to get ahead, and I’m sorry for you. You need someone like Obama to give you more. Maybe, just maybe you’d do a bit better if you got off the blogs during the day and worked a bit more! 😉

    Here are some more facts…a third of all tax filers have ZERO or negative liability. The bottom half of wage earners pay 3% of federal income tax revenues. The top half pays the rest. The top 10% pay TWO-THIRDS of federal revenues. I guess I can figure out where you fall.

    If Obama wins, there are still going to be a BUNCH of pissed off people. Yes, those on the Right will be pissed immediately because the most Liberal Democrat in the US Senate got elected, and will likely enjoy Democrat majorities in Congress.

    Those on the far Left will also be pissed…eventually. They will be pissed because there will be all sorts of “Bush policies” that will become “Obama policies”. Some examples…

    – The war in Afghanistan will be enlarged, and the commitment in Iraq ISN’T going away, either.

    – The war against Islamic extremism won’t automatically end, and that will require PRESIDENT Obama to act in ways that will tend to anger the already terminally angry Left.

    – Obama also apparently supports further NATO expansion into Eastern Europe…another Bush policy.

    As for the mushy middle…

    The bailout programs, Bush’s bailout programs, will become Obama’s bailout programs. Maybe they will help, maybe they won’t. Regardless, if Obama goes through with his tax increases, losers like you are going to LOSE their jobs. When he tries to “spread the wealth” and expand government like he’s promised, the deficit and national debt will continue to balloon, and inflation will come back with a vengeance. Obama will keep trying to blame the “failed Bush policies”, but eventually that won’t work anymore. EVERYONE will be mad, just like they were at Carter (and Bush).

    Losers like you will feel just as cheated and bitter as you do now. I wonder then what you will do.

    Don’t worry…I’ll be fine…I must have been born under a lucky “FAT CAT” star.

  49. I was content to just let this sit for a year, then come back and prove you wrong.

    But this I could not let pass.

    McCain has flip-flopped on SOCIALISM! He was for “Spreading the wealth around” before he was against it.

    I couldn’t find the entire video for the 10/4/2000 appearance of McCain on Hardball with Chris Matthews, right here though starting at 6:00 minutes in should be of great interest to you.

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/index.jhtml?episodeId=189115

    Are you really sure McCain won’t raise your taxes? He says (direct quote):
    McCain: “Obviously wealthy people can afford more”, “here’s what I really believe, when you reach a certain level of comfort there’s nothing wrong with paying somewhat more.”

    GBS you sound like you are ‘somewhat comfortable’, McCain thinks you should be paying more. Or at least he did believe that before he sold his soul to the Rove-Cheney-Bush axis of evil.

  50. Oh yeah, how are you liking Palin turning around to bite the hand that fed her? She says the RNCC wanted to buy her those $150,000 in clothes etc. The RNCC says the campaign asked them for the funds and they authorized it. Just goes to show, you can put $150,000 dollars of lipstick on a pig, it’s still a pig.

    HILARIOUS!

  51. awww cry me a river GBS. Where you riding high after the wall street shake up? With all those fresh undervalued-rock-bottom-price stocks dropping like plump cherries for the fat cats to snap up and get wealthier? Then you realized Obama will be president and raise your cap-gains taxes? But somehow nobody is hearing your ‘Obama’ is going to raise your taxes message?

    ‘How can that possibly be’ you say. If they aren’t hearing the message they must be stupid (“Lefty nitwits”) or ignorant “Losers” with some sort of chip on their shoulder. I don’t feel “cheated and bitter”, I am elated, absolutely giddy, I am overjoyed.

    You will see my first words here become fact, “to win the game of vaseline twister you must keep your feet firmly planted on the truth. And that alone will be the republicans undoing. The american public has had enough of the lies.” and even more to the point “Ethics matter, lack of ethics is a killer.”

    You have seen the demise and in-fighting in the republican party for the same reason as the financial house of cards greed fell.

    Ethics matter, greed is bad, ambition is FINE, greed is not. Learn it, love it, or leave America. You can jump on this band wagon, or you can sit there and feel like the real loser. I’ll be happy to check back here from time to time, and keep you up to date on just how well things are going.

    Have a nice day, and don’t forget to go out and vote! If a vast number of American citizens vote differently than you, you might want to take a look around and join in the group, instead of stubborn self-interest. It may just refresh you as a human, a fellow ACTUAL HUMAN.

  52. an actual (troll) human,

    Are you having a conversation with yourself? That’s one of the first signs of insanity, or maybe you’re just an insecure little kid trying to get attention. Did you get thrown into trash cans in high school? 😉

    I don’t know whether you are a true believer or just a dope along for the ride. It doesn’t matter, this kind of thing happens, as it did in 1976 with Carter. I hope that IF Obama wins (and he probably will), that it doesn’t turn out like that, but we should brace ourselves anyway!

    More likely, Congressional Dems and/or those on Obama’s coat-tails will over-reach in some way, or they’ll simply fail to do what they’ve (over) promised. Don’t confuse a win with a landslide, or that those 10s of millions of voters who recognized what Obama is have somehow gone away. Obama is well to the Left of the American electorate. What we’re seeing here is a perfect storm of politics and economics. Many who are voting for him haven’t caught up to his deception and double talk. He’s got two years to do his job (or screw it up). If he doesn’t do it right, err…correctly, then the pendulum will swing hard away from the Dems in 2010. Count on it.

    As for myself, I got dinged a bit, but not nearly as bad as the whole market. Even in the midst of chaos and crisis, there’s plenty of opportunity for those looking for it instead of waiting for the odd government handout. I’m going to be just fine…as usual.

    Obama will be raising taxes on a whole bunch of people in addition to those well-advertised $250K and above folks…count on that as well. Your 401K? Apparently, there are those in Congress that would like you to hand it over…are you up for that? Ironically enough, my circumstances should allow me to dodge most of that. How about you?

    Enjoy your election returns and your soon-to-be institutionalized mediocrity. I know you’ve been on the sidelines a long time. Your people will rediscover that governing is a bit more difficult than chirping. Allow me to modify an adage to say that in politics (as well as war), all glory is fleeting.

  53. yes, but can Palin play twister with a gorilla like in Japan?
    http://www.japansugoi.com/wordpress/japanese-bikini-babe-plays-twister-with-a-gorilla/ 🙂

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