Obama: My church is …uh..not particularly controversial

A few things that I didn’t touch on yet regarding Obama and his pastor/church: 

Obama had the gall to say this on one of the videos ( I touched on it here already)

“I don’t think my church is …uh….particularly controversial”

Another lapse of judgment for Obama since that “lack of controversy’ church has stirred up…well….lots of controversy over the course of the last few days.

Another newsworthy story from Politico.com today about how the Trinity United Church of Christ is firing back:

 The church attended by Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) fought back Sunday against mounting criticism of its pastor, accusing the media of character assassination and “crucifixion.”

Otis Moss III, the current pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ, used his pulpit to defend his congregation and its past minister, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., from a wave of controversy stemming from inflammatory statements made by Wright.

“We have listened and watched as the wonderful work of our church has been vilified this week,” he told about 3,000 congregants on Palm Sunday morning. “This week should be special for us because I guess we know a little something about crucifixion.”

Lest I fall into their blasphemous trap, I suppose someone with the radical views espoused at that church could liken the fall of their anointed Obama and the “outing” of his church’s radical views as crucifixion. 

Not I  —I would liken it more to continued “victimizaxion” (misspelling intended) — The truth is out their for all to see in the video-taped words of its pastor, yet somehow it is the fault of the media (and the US of KKKA, I’m sure) that the truth is now seen. 

To me, it’s one thing to appreciate and celebrate heritage with like individuals—-actually that is a great thing—-but it is quite another thing to preach perpetual victimhood, left politics in the pulpit, “I hate America” rants, conspiracies about government, and generally racist speech.

 One other item—much of the information about the Black Value System and radical ideals of the Trinity United Church of Christ have been removed from prominent view or removed completely from the church website.   I touched on this here and Little Green Footballs has a more explanatory post here.

 QuestionIf the church is not so controversial and there is nothing to hide and this is just some “crucifixion” exercise brought on by the media, then why the need to purge the church website of its values and beliefs?

I’m just sayin……


8 Responses

  1. You just can’t get over the fact that America did indeed discriminate against Reverend Wright, as a matter of LAW for the first 18 years of his life. It’s his decision to forgive America not yours!

    Would you like to answer this question? Will muslims, jews, buddhists, and Hindu’s go to heaven?

  2. geber22,
    What I can’t get over is your inability to grasp the fact that most of what Rev Wright believes and preaches about America is wrong.
    That doesn’t mean I don’t understand the pain and scars of those who may have been oppressed.
    It does seem to me if there is a strong belief, now—40 years plus later— that America, in general, and white people, specifically, wish that type of harm to another race, then if I were Rev Wright, I would go live somewhere else.

  3. Will muslims, jews, buddhists, and Hindu’s go to heaven? Are you ducking this question? At least Obama and Wright have the stones to say what they think. I ask you one controversial question and you go running into the corner.

    Rev Wright is free to say what he wants, that’s freedom! If you don’t like it perhaps you and your affection for censure should go live somewhere else.

  4. geber22,
    You certainly have a twisted view of censure.
    Censure is Barack Obama calling for Imus to be fired over one comment with a negative reference to blacks. I am not necessarily an Imus fan, but Barack asked that a man who is well known for contribuing time and money to fight childhood diseases, including sickle cell anemia, be fired for something bordering on racist.
    That is censure. But Obama is the same man who gives a pass to his pastor, who has spewed hate, anti-Americanism, and racist diatribes for years. Obama’s reason: the man has a good heart and does good things.
    How are these scenarios different other than one is a white man and one a black man and Obama, the uniter, views them differently?
    As for me, I am not censuring anyone….I’ve added your less-than-kind comments on MY blog now haven’t I?
    As to your other question, I didn’t dodge it…it just didn’t seem particulary pertinent to the post?!!?
    But to answer it now….I hope they all go to heaven and it really isn’t for me to say who will and who won’t. I do know from the Bible that those who accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior will go to heaven.

  5. Imus’s comment wasn’t just borderline racist, it was sexist, in fact more sexist than racist. He called them “nappy headed hos”, wouldn’t you agree. I wouldn’t have fired Don Imus, I’ll tell you that, at least not for his comment, probably for being a lame radio host, in my opinion. Yet your citation of Barack’s dislike for free speech doesn’t excuse your own.

    I’m sorry you don’t find my question to be relevant, but you are judging Obama based upon what his pastor says, so I’m asking what you believe spiritually, and you answered in a round about way that you hope they all go to heaven.

    Let’s be absolutely clear about this, Christians absolutely believe other religions to be false, Jesus Christ is the truth, people who follow the other religions are idol worshippers. I know this because I’ve attended many a church. The pastors in every Christian church I have ever attended believe all muslims, jews, hindus etc… are going somewhere a little less nice than heaven.

    That is a pretty darn radical statement is it not. What about a preacher who says you can’t pledge allegiance to a flag and god? Yes indeed many preachers say many controversial things, and the entire congregation does not agree with everything.

  6. geber22,
    You have the idea that I don’t think Rev. Wright had the right to say what he did. I do. What I am trying to get across is that Barack Obama listened to this for 20 years. I have been in church all of my life—hard to understand how a leader can sit through hundreds of sermons he doesn’t agree with?!
    I am not against Rev Wright saying those things—but it is certainly my right to point out where he is wrong.

    Yes, I am sure there are those who have some differing views than the pastor they listen to. That is not the point…..Barack Obama could be close to being President of a country his pastor loathes and leader of a world that his conspiratorial pastor/mentor/friend sees as racist.
    In addition, anyone can choose to stay at a church or not….Barack chose that church and that pastor for 20 years…..he was not helpless to sit and listen to the words.

    As far as your comment on other religions—A true Christian pastor is preaching the Bible. The Bible says that those who accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior will see Him in heaven. That is not radical, but Christian truth from the Bible.

    The difference between Christian pastors you speak of and Reverend Wright is one speaks truth from the Bible as they should since they are Christians; the other speaks hate as a victim and politicizes his pulpit. Big difference.

  7. I just listened to Obama’s speech on race, and I find myself falling into many of the traps that he mentions. You are entitled to your opinion, I am entitled to mine. I would suggest you listen to Obama’s speech as well, he explains much of this in much greater detail than I ever could, his words ring true.

    You might not like Obama now, but what he will do for this country will be amazing, and even his most staunch critics will be amazed.

    I hope my comments did not offend you terribly, I really need to work on my communication. Believe it or not you and I are not too far apart on things, god bless!

  8. geber22,
    I read his speech over and over. While I am sure his delivery was spot on…(I just saw excerpts of him actually talking)…I was more interested in the content.

    I was not a fan before and his speech did nothing to change that.

    You say he will do amazing things…but he has not laid out much in the way of how he will do anything! He speaks well and knows what to say to reach certain groups of voters, but he is short on how he will accomplish this “unity”, everlasting “hope”, and radical “change”.

    Besides he bases his whole unity/hope/change rhetoric on the basis that this country is not unified, it has no hope, and needs drastic change……..I don’t agree with that. The country isn’t perfect, but it is not nearly as bad or as bleak as he ( and his pastor) portray it.

    I am not offended….I like a discussion… no problem there.

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