Really Ben? Are you really that ignorant?

Let’s see what Politifact has to say, although MSNBC apparently has LOW ratings with the fact-checkers as well:

Olbermann: a half-true, a false, and a mostly true

Madow: three half-trues and a false

Matthews: Politifact doesn’t seem to care what he has to say one way or the other…maybe it has something to do with that creepy “tingle” he experiences when talking about Obama.

O’Reilly has always been more middle of the road….in my mind.

I would disagree with you on Limbaugh….Rush uses many sources and logic when explaining his points….AND he does it many times with humor. I listen regularly and I think you have to listen to him regularly to understand him.

Beck is very much a comedian while at the same time very serious about his beliefs….and he is more emotional. But a whack job? I would disagree.

It is funny to me that people tend to make fun of Beck when he cries on air, but everyone had feelings for Dan Rather when he did the same….:)

Actually, O’Reilly has been turning his show and online editorials around as of late; I’ve been hard-pressed to disagree with quite a few of his points. They’re rationally made and logically supported, so as much as I hate to admit, I can’t dismiss the guy as a whackjob anymore.

Can’t say the same for Limbaugh or Beck; but hey, baby steps!

But Alex they don’t force that on anyone. It is their right to spread their faith message, but they don’t force anyone….the point is free will. That is a far cry from forcing anyone to believe anything. There is no law forcing any of that, nor is anyone forcing anyone to receive Christ as Savior by dictates of government.

Conversely, homosexuals DO wish to force their worldview on Christians by dicates and laws of government.

Homosexuality isn’t a choice, it’s genetic.

That is not proven and many do not believe homosexuality is genetic. I am no genetic scientist…but if just use pure logic…think about declaring the status of a person’s sexuality as genetic when that very status does not provide for reproduction of the species….
Even if we invoke evolutionary thinking…how could man/woman evolve with gene make-ups that are counter to reproduction…we’d have been extinct long ago..seems to me.

we’re just saying gays shouldn’t be persecuted just because some people think homosexuality is wrong

How are they persecuted? No rational person wishes to dictate what a gay person does behind closed doors. I certainly don’t…more power to you…your choice.. have a relationship…live your life…

Aside from that …. homosexuals have EVERY single right that anyone else in this country has….maybe more since, in this day and age, a crime committed against a homosexual would warrant a stiffer penalty than the same crime committed against a heterosexual.

Even if we assume it is genetic, the God of the Bible orders us to turn away from sin…and homosexuality is a sin according to God.
I am just relaying what many in this country believe including me. I don’t think a true Christian is condemning the person struggling with homosexuality. They are free to make their own choices…..but please don’t force (by law) those choices upon me and my children and against my beliefs.
Particularly since, throughout history…and mostly not until the recent decades….did anyone really believe that marriage includes the joining of two of the same sex. Should we reverse centuries of religious belief, family relationships, kinship rules, and basic human nature….so that a minority of citizens can name their relationship “Marriage”?

I respect their religious convictions that make them believe as such. What I can’t stand is when they expect the government to constitutionally ban gay marriage BECAUSE OF those religious reasons, because to me that IS violating freedom of religion

You can’t “ban” gay marriage because it doesn’t exist. ( I do suppose you could develop a law or amendment against it, however)
Marriage is between a man and a woman. That has been the definition of marriage for…ever. Marriage is based in civil and religious laws…it is a huge cultural element within our system of relationships and living. Forever altering and destroying that should not be taken lightly.

I really don’t understand how not allowing two men or two women to marry is violating anyone’s religious beliefs. If nothing else, it violates the religious beliefs of the vast majority of citizens in this country who believe in the Bible’s definition of marriage.

One of the best NON-RELIGIOUS defenses of marriage (and reasons to reject gay marriage) I have ever read is here: http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/533narty.asp?pg=1
Thought it may interest you.

Christians can have their views, they just can’t expect the government to have the same views.

But the government MUST and SHOULD hold the view of homosexuals?

Thanks for responding…

I guess since Fox has more viewers than your heroes on MSNBC and CNN COMBINED……we just have a big country full of stupid nut Republicans getting their heads filled with lies and propaganda every night.

Or could it just be that MSNBC and CNN are seen for what they are…..progagandists for the Obama administration……

Besides if FoxNews shows were just lying on endlessly as you claim, it seems that Obama could counter the lies and pound the facts over and over.
Instead he wishes to target FOX, exclude them, and neuter them.

That is the behaviore of someone afraid of the truth and what is being told about him……not someone who has proof positive that ACORN was derived from a group of angels with no hint of corruption and that Van Jones isn’t a Communist.

Beck, Hannity, and O’Reilly lie on their programs and when they are called on the lies, they just keep on lying! That’s because they give their audiences the “facts” their audiences want to hear. It’s just propaganda.

You can’t say that about Olbermann, Maddow, and Matthews. They don’t have to lie to make their points.

FoxNews is a news station. It includes headline coverage, guest panels, etc. It also includes commentary and editorial programs.

MSNBC and CNN are absolutely NO different in terms of their venues of program news, commentary, editorial and other programs.

That is what is so unfair and wrong about accusations against Fox. The cable news stations program venues are similar in structure.
How are their editorials and opinion people (ie Olbermann, Maddow, Matthews) any different than Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity except their views are 180 degrees apart?

Here’s the deal on Obama’s whining about Fox. Fox has called Obama’s friends at ACORN out on their corruption. Fox covered the communist past and leanings of Van Jones. Two examples of news that Fox covered and others did not, or only after Fox did.

Now, if Obama believes he is being unfairly treated at Fox, then why doesn’t his administration refute any of the facts? Why couldn’t he prove Van Jones isn’t a Communist? It’s because they can’t….so when the news is bad and not in Obama’s favor all he can do is criticize the source.

And while Obama is trashing FoxNews he is sitting down, literally, with Rachel Maddow and Keith Olberman, giving them the talking points in his favor on healthcare!?!? (He did that this week….fresh off the Sunday news shows trashing of Fox)

Obama has NO right to whine about Fox when he can’t refute their facts, especially while he wines and dines the liberal opinion makers on the other stations.
Can you say hypocritical?

Even aside from the whining and hypocrisy…..journalists and news in this country have a job to investigate and report the news….good and bad…..about any Presidency. Currently Fox is almost the only station to cover the major stories affecting Obama negatively.

Example? We have lost more soldier lives in Afghanistan this year than any other year in that war. Hardly one peep, if any, of that statistic is reported in the “mainstream” media stations. Anyone paying attention, or even if they weren’t, could here the cries of the media and how many soldiers were lost under Bush….it was a daily drumbeat……but hardly a peep now under a far left liberal President who is Commander In Chief of the forces in Afghanistan with the largest death toll year of the war….
Fair? Balanced? hardly.
But did you EVER see Bush wage a war on any newstations? Or boycott any of them? No.

Obama is unpresidential in his childish antics against Fox.

Well, as far as that image you posted….I would say some people need some basic education BEFORE watching ANY news programs!