Palin’s daughter pregnant or, in Obama-speak, will be “punished with a baby”! UPDATED: More reaction


News today is that Sarah Palin’s 17-year-old daughter is pregnant.  I’m sure this will arouse the lefty crowd even though the even nastier rumor they were spreading has been debunked.  Apparently the McCain campaign felt they needed to announce this private matter now because of the nasty left smears of Palin and her daughter.

From FoxNews:

The 17-year-old unwed daughter of John McCain’s new running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, is five-months pregnant, Palin and her husband, Todd Palin, said Monday in a written statement.

McCain’s campaign told FOX News that the presumptive Republican presidential candidate knew about Bristol Palin’s pregnancy before he chose Palin as his running mate last Friday, and that Bristol is planning to marry the father of her child.

“We have been blessed with five wonderful children who we love with all our heart and mean everything to us,” the Palins said in the statement. “Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. We’re proud of Bristol’s decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents. As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support.”

The Palins asked the media to respect their family’s privacy.

“Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family. We ask the media to respect our daughter and Levi’s privacy as has always been the tradition of children of candidates.”

A McCain campaign spokesman told FOXNews.com that Bristol’s pregnancy was considered a “private, family matter” that had “absolutely nothing to do” with her mother’s candidacy.

I have to admit this is a twist I wasn’t expecting, but certainly does not change the excitement that I have for Palin as the running mate for McCain.   Although this is especially difficult for Palin’s daughter, at least she has decided on her own to have the child and to marry the father.  THAT, my friends, is good news.

Look at what the Palin’s have decided, not just for Bristol and her baby, but also for Sarah and Todd’s baby, Trig…..they decided that life is the only answer.

Contrast that with what Obama would do if his daughter were pregnant—  Well, if we take him at his word, he wouldn’t “punish one of my daughters with a baby”:

My heart goes out to Bristol, especially, and to the Palin family.  While the joy of a new baby is always something to look forward to, Bristol will have to grow up faster than I’m sure her parents would like.

Best wishes to Bristol and her new family.

UPDATE 9/1/08 – More reaction and great points about how classy people handle such a situation:

From Redstate.com:

But it’s fitting that in this moment, one of the toughest a young woman can face, Bristol Palin has chosen on her own to take the right path. This baby is not a “punishment,”, as Obama so famously said; it is not an object to be destroyed, as Obama argued for in the Illinois State Senate; he or she is a human life, one worthy of receiving the love of a mother and father. And we rejoice in the knowledge that a family will receive this blessing into the world.

Have no doubts about this: Bristol Palin is brave. Braver than any of the hideous bloggers, hiding in their anonymity, who throw muck at her mother and who will doubtlessly revile her decision. Braver than the foes of the right to life who would offer her a knife and a vacuum to end this minor inconvenience. Brave enough to know that it’s not enough to talk about doing the right thing – it’s doing that right thing when the moment calls for it the most.

We thank her for making this choice now – her child will thank her forever.

(my emphasis)

From ProteinWisdom:

This kind of savage smear campaign by leftists and so-called “feminists” — a campaign that forced a young woman to make public a very private matter in order to stop vicious rumors about the Palin family — suggests that, when it comes to “privacy concerns” (NSA data mining for terrorists = bad; demanding the release of a Governor’s medical records = good; parental notification for abortions performed on women under a certain age = bad; insisting that the world be privy to the private sexual and family concerns of the seventeen-year-old daughter of a conservative = good), “progressives” care about such things only insofar as it protects their political interests and advances their political agenda.

The left, as it has now been shown in one of the ugliest incidences of McCarthyite bullying I can remember, has no core belief in privacy, or even an investment in actual “choice” for women — unless the woman in question falls in line with their particular orthodoxies, that is. Anyone else is an “anti-woman” woman, and as such is subject to public exposure and ridicule……..

…………….Wonder how the product of a single mom, Barry O!, will treat this shameless wilderness hussy…?

(my emphasis)

From AmericanPrincessBlog:

Punishment, eh? Baby Trig might beg to differ about his life being a punishment for his mama…and Barack’s sentiment is a far cry from Sarah Palin’s, who supports her daughters decision and appears ready and willing to help her daughter through the trials she’s about to face…trials that lots of families across the country face every day. Palin didn’t send her kid off to a camp, or try to pass off the pregnancy. She did what any compassionate mother would do.

Of course, I understand the left will never see it as a boon — like Allah says, the left, who is normally so much for teen pregnancy, they practically allow kids to get firsthand knowledge on school grounds, will cackle with glee at the thought of a woman with a religious conviction having a pregnant kid and will undoubtedly come up with a marvelously convenient story about how Palin keeps her kid locked in a basement forcing her to have babies, dress in rags and polish her hoop earrings. Never mind that real life is informing how she feels about one of the most important issues — the dispositive issue — for feminists today.

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64 Responses

  1. When you have a boatload of kids the odds are that some of them will make mistakes. How one deals with those “mistakes” is often a better judge of character than whether or not the mistake happend in the first place..

  2. GJB….
    Exactly.

  3. Left wingers cannot win fairly on the issues. They are the lowest form of life with no imagination. I only hope that they take responsibility if Obama, the “uh um..ah..um..umm ah candidate plunges the United States into complete and total chaos. It is the left wing nut jobs who never take responsibility for their votes. Remember the only thing that gives them ability to voice their opinions, however ludicrous, are the very concepts of democracy and capitalism they so hate. If Obama does get elected, his complete and total inexperience coupled with his god like arrogance may very well create the socialistic euphoria the left wing truly want. Careful what you wish for. Take responsibility for your vote and understand that when your wonderful euphoria leaves you wanting…you will once again turn to us to fix your mess.

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  5. Another ‘hats off’ to this family. A lot of us struggle with these situations and I admire them for being so open and real. My prayers are w/them. Babies are a gift from God, even in instances when young parents make mistakes.

  6. Cynergee, stop spewing hate and ignorance. I am a “left winger” and yet I have served in this country’s military, as does my husband to this day, defending that democracy you say we hate. You make yourself look sadly embittered when you sink to the level of those you accuse of being “the lowest form[s] of life with no imagination.”

    As to this issue with Palin, I will say to this as I said to Clinton/Lewinsky.. it is no one’s business but their own.

  7. I am responding to Cynergy. I am a pround democrat thank you and evidently you are one very hostile individual to have the nerve to call someone who is not a member of your party the lowest form of life. How dare you judge people you don’t even know? Who in the world do you think you are? Politics aside, you do not take assualt on anyone or anything you don’t know about. YOU DO NOT KNOW THIS DEMOCRAT AND I TAKE OFFENSE TO YOUR GARISH AND STUPID REMARKS. Go get a life and read a bit. You may find it enlightning!!!!! And as for Governor Palin’s daughter, she is going to be facing a very rough time in her life and I respect and feel for her. The fact of ther matter is that her mother has place taking on more politics when so much will be going on in her child’s life! She has a down syndrome child and a pregnant teenager. Nevermind the other three children who need her love and support. She will be out campaigning most of her days. That has to take a toll! All of you republicnas who blame Obama for everything under the sun need to realy cease being so doggone two faced and stop your double talking. You spin everything to your advantage. This is about our country and looking at the two parties, issues, and then make an informed decision about who to vote for. Why in the hell can’t Americans do that without being so devisive?

  8. Renee,

    Are you saying that a (married) sitting President messing around with a young government employee in the Oval Office (that would be the taxpayer’s property on the taxpayer’s dime), subsequently lying about in public, and then obstructing an investigation by committing perjury is comparable to this situation with Gov Palin’s daughter? REALLY???

  9. PROUD DEMOCRAT,

    You start out making some very valid points about not smearing all Democrats with the same broad brush and even the competing demands on Gov Palin.

    Then, you lose it with that “all you Republicans…” line. Take a look in the mirror.

  10. This is crazy too me! Sarah Palin’s daughter is pregnant and people are blaming Barrack Obama? Barrack Obama does not have a pregnant daughter! Sarah Palin’s life keeps getting more and more bizzare. I feel more and more like I am watching extreme shock reality TV. I am not interested. She will do the best for her family I am sure. I respect her daughters right too choose! Now enough distracting us from the real issues in this country. Pro-Life and Pro-choice issues will continue to divide people and we must come together and discuss these issues without anger and without hatred. Take a deep breath people. We still have family members in Iraq, jobs being sent oversees, people not able to afford health care ( I am sure Bristol will have the best health coverage for her babies birth since she is probably covered under her moms cooshy goverment coverage that taxpayers foot the bill for) I am angry about issues and wrongs committed by BOTH parties. This system is far from perfect. I am only able to deal with the here and now. Is there a way for this county to come together? I listen to all of you “grown ups” calling each other names and giving yourself heart attacks with all the anger but nothing gets done! Is this what I have to look forward to when I “grow up?” is there another country in this world that has gotten it right? How can the young people in this world carry the torch of our forefathers when so many of you sound like idiots spewing nonsense and misquotes? Go outside right now and pick up litter on your street or cook a hot meal for an elderly shut in or bring food to a local shelter. Have you done that lately? Those are the things I do to evoke change and help the common good! Get off your butt and do something worthwhile instead of sitting at your computer throwing out judgement. GROW UP!

  11. Jacquie,
    No one is blaming Barack Obama for anything Palin’s daughter has done.

    We are pointing out the contrast between what Obama believes about teen pregnancy and the actions the Palin’s have taken to support their daughter and their grandchild.

  12. Renee,
    I agree that this teen pregnancy is private and no one’s business. (But tell that to the rabid left Dems who, before the pregnancy announcement was made thought it was their business to spread lies that Sarah Palin’s baby was actually Bristol’s child….)

    However, Bill Clinton’s indiscretion with Monica Lewinsky happened on property that I pay for (as do you) while on the job. Then, Bill Clinton lied under oath about it.
    There is a huge difference. His lies and his actions are my business in this circumstance.

  13. I’d really like to know what is a “punishment” and a “blessing”?? What exactly do Dems define each as?? If you are unmarried and young, it is punishment?? If you are married and over 28, you got a blessing??

    Whatever happened to “everything happens for a reason”? I’m pregnant and a young married woman, and though unplanned, I could never consider my baby a “punishment”. It just seems too heartless and cold to call a baby that.

    I would really like a Dem to tell me the qualifications for punishment and a blessing.

    This should be interesting.

  14. Its embarrassing that Republicans, who are normally rich and educated, say the most stupidest crap that leaves one shaking their heads. Sharprighturn, you should be embarrassed. First, Obama’s campaign had nothing to do with these rumors. All Obama has done was compliment his opponents, His victory speech in st. paul was mostly of Hillary. “you can rest assured that when we finally win the battle for universal health care in this country, she will be central to that victory. When we transform our energy policy and lift our children out of poverty, it will be because she worked to help make it happenOur party and our country are better off because of her, and I am a better candidate for having had the honor to compete with Hillary Rodham Clinton.” This is a man who got insulted so many times by Hillary throught the race, and this is what he says of her. So he’s going to start crap about Palin and her daughter?? And that comment about “punish my daughter with a baby”, he was referring to the millions of young ladies who get pregnant and cannot pursue a better future because they have to quit school at 16 and be a mom collecting welfare. If Obama’s daughter got pregnant at 17, i doubt her future will be ruined with millionaire parents and the same for Palin. If Bill Clinton’s lieing about Monica is your business, then why dont u make it your business to realize that McCain had an affair on his first wife, with his current wife. He ran around with several different women while still married to his first wife. Or how about another prestigeous Republican, Rudy Giuliani, who not only bragged about his affair publicly and humiliated Donna Hanover, but threw her out the Mayor’s Mansion to make room for his “girlfriend”. You a-holes think that we don’t know about these little things and i cant believe this is the siht that comes out of your mouths after graduating from universities in this great country.

  15. Sam,
    If your gonna tell me I’m an embarassment and stupid, first try to learn to make a paragraph and not run all of your “most stupidest crap” comments together.

  16. I was going to write out a long post on how this hurts McCain and makes him look even dumber than he is, but I won’t. Palin’s daughter is in a horrible situation and didn’t expect her mother to be on the ticket with McCain, which should have never happened (I think I know some hockey moms with little to no real experience that want to be VP too… The only difference is they know what the VP does.)

    In the end, none of this matters. Obama wins the election with 301 electoral votes and the Republicans will have to deal with real positive change for all Americans, not just the wealthy.

  17. Hey SRIdiot…(fits you well)
    Go practice reciting your Kos notes somewhere else.

  18. One thing no one has brought up is that if this were, say, Biden’s young daughter, the right wing would be all over it, pointing out that of course it happened because the Democrats have no morals at all, yadda yadda yadda.

    All they can do now is come up with ways to deal with their cognitive dissonance and that’s why they’re saying this baby is a blessing, and how wonderful that she is having it. What other way can they see it without imploding?

    Is anyone wondering why this girl thought it was okay to have sex outside of marriage? Whatever happened to the right wing’s mantra of “just say no?”

  19. SAM your reply was well put. Thank You

  20. I don’t think that you all understand “left wing nut jobs.”

    I love God, and I love this country. I oppose abortion on moral grounds. I think it is wonderful that Palin’s daughter will have her child.

    But, I also think that this information should not have been kept secret, since so much of Palin’s appeal to voters is her and her family’s adherence to a particular set of social values, one of which is abstinence only. I agree with Obama that the children of political figures _should_ be off limits, but when family values are the basis for a candidate’s appeal, they cannot be.

    For the record, I believe in capitalism, but not unchecked capitalism. The government should make sure that companies cannot, for example, hide losses with shady accounting that leads to a mortgage crisis.

    I also feel that politicians who lie to the public should be held accountable.

  21. For the record, the lying politician I was talking about was GW Bush. If you think Clinton should have been punished (although found not guilty by the Republican congress), then Bush should at least be impeached and investigated for the extremely likely possibility that he and his administration lied to us—on property that I also pay for.

  22. Jon,

    Obama’s statement regarding the treatment of family and children in particular was unconditional and for once, unequivocal.

    Don’t be so indignant about being lied to. The lies Clinton told about Monica were only a fraction of what he did while in office. I doubt there has been a President in history that DIDN’T lie about something at some point.

    I am curious, though…what do YOU think Bush lied about?

  23. “The government should make sure that companies cannot, for example, hide losses with shady accounting that leads to a mortgage crisis.”

    Jon,

    I can’t help myself so I’ve got to ask…how did you arrive at this conclusion?

  24. “Sarah Palin’s life keeps getting more and more bizzare. I feel more and more like I am watching extreme shock reality TV.”

    Jacquie,

    What exactly is so ‘bizzare’ about Palin’s life? Having a baby in her early 40s? Having a teenage daughter that made a mistake? Getting elected Governer? What?

  25. CGW,
    Why don’t you read other parts of this blog…..

    Some nutcase wrote some pretty nasty things about Obama’s daughters and I fully defended Obama’s daughters who, I believe, are also off-limits. (As would Biden’s if they were not yet adults)

    For your information, the “right wing” still believes that saying no is the only 100% sure-fire way to keep from getting pregnant.

    Do you have kids? (Gee, I hope you didn’t reproduce, but that’s not the point)
    If you do, I hope you teach them right from wrong. But I will bet they don’t always do the right thing. Even the best of families and those who “believe in saying no” have unplanned pregnancies….doesn’t make them hypocrites….makes them human.

  26. SHARPRIGHTTURN,
    Has it occured to anyone that if the child HAD had an abortion, no one would even know about it?

    Further, snide comments about whether or not I have children, or if I am fit to reproduce are beside the point. For the record, I have no children who got pregnant, or who got anyone else pregnant, prior to marriage.

    But thanks for making my case about how the right wing is handling their cognitive dissonance–that is, lashing out toward anyone who might be a Democrat. For example, one comment elsewhere was blaming the Democrats for providing the cultural petri dish in which this child’s behavior was born.

    We’re arguing approaches to the question at hand (how should this child’s pregnancy be viewed), not whether we ourselves are good parents. I honestly don’t care one whit about Palin’s child being pregnant at a young age. Stuff happens. I do care, however, about exposing hypocrisy. I absolutely believe if the tables were turned that the loyal right wing would be all over this, and not in a good way. If I’m wrong, it’s only because I have too often been exposed to the behavior of those who call themselves more moral than the next guy.

  27. CGW,
    “Has it occured to anyone that if the child HAD had an abortion, no one would even know about it? ”

    Sure that occurred to me….
    For one minute, let’s just forget the fact that she’d be murdering her own child so people like you wouldn’t find out about that EVIL RIGHT WING hypocrisy — Even if Palin’s daughter had an abortion, people like you would find out and THEN call Palin a hypocrite anyway.

    “We’re arguing approaches to the question at hand (how should this child’s pregnancy be viewed), not whether we ourselves are good parents.”

    My earlier comment had nothing to do with being “good parents”. My point was that the Palin’s believe abortion is wrong and they believe abstinence is best. I am sure they’ve taught that value to their children. Does that view make Sarah Palin, and everyone else who believes as she does, a hypocrite because her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant?

    Who is painting who with a broad brush here?

    Besides we are not even talking about the candidate here…we are talking about her 17-year-old daughter.

    I suppose if Sarah Palin (not her daughter) starts having sex in the oval office with someone other than her husband (sound familiar), I would think a whole lot differently about her.

    “Stuff happens. I do care, however, about exposing hypocrisy.”
    Who is being hypocritical? The 17-year old daughter? It is her actions we are talking about and her actions that you claim not to give a hoot about.
    Supporting a 17-year-old girl who made a mistake is not hypocritical.

  28. Seeing all the dramas that Palin brings to the table–Mrs Palin is not qualify for the VP. I feel betrayed. Palin loses my vote.

    She is a mother of five (one of them with Down syndrome who needs extra care), has a pregnant teenaged daughter, and will have a granddaughter soon. If Palin got the office, she required to pay full attention to the nation. She would face the problems of being called at 3am in the morning and wondered if she should feed her child, comfort her pregnant daughter or return call to the office…It may be okay if this woman would be a high school’s president, but VP for the nation? No.

    If Palin truly cares about her family, she should not run the office, but rather, she should spend time with the family, protect her daughter in such difficult period and focus on her current job. Instead, Palin has chosen to endanger her daughter’s reputation in front of the media and the whole nation! I am a mother of three. I will NEVER put my daughters in such awful situation just because of my personal interests. It is unthinkable to have a mother to do such thing to her children. Palin loses my vote!

  29. If every person who had a teenage daughter get pregnant stopped living their lives because they needed to “protect and forget personal interests”….there would be a LOT of people stopping their lives.

    She didn’t endanger her reputation….her daughter did. Anyone who gets pregnant knows that there was a chance of getting pregnant….it’s that simple. And it shouldn’t be thought of as an embarrassment….but rather LIFE. Life happens. Deal with it and go on.

    But next time I see Palin, I’ll let her know she’s responsible for getting her daughter getting pregnant and flaunting it all over the media! (opposite of what she is actually doing anyway).

  30. Hey KDW – you didn’t address the child with Down’s Syndrome and I’m not sure what Tara’s background on this is, but I’ve got a special needs child myself(heart defect) and it’s not an easy responsibility to go along with your actual job. I share this responsibility with my wife, who also works. Don’t underestimate Down’s Syndrome as being someone with an impairment to cognitive ability and that’s it – there are numerous ancillary health risks that go along with Down’s; including congenital heart defects(which is why I took an interest in learning about it), GI problems, thyroid issues, and more. I’ve only got two kids, but she’s got 5. One of whom she has pledged to help with their child on the way, and another who has Down’s which could be compounded by other problems. As VP, I can see her finding time to attend to her familial responsibilities alongside work – heck, she did it as governor. On the flipside, she is attempting to be VP… a person who must be ready to accept the role of President at any moment. Is it fair to her family to accept the VP under these terms? Would it have been prudent for her to turn down the opportunity to advance her political career at this time because of obligation to her family? I can’t answer the question for her, but I know my answer would have been no to the offer from McCain if I was in her situation. As someone who says she’s so dedicated to family – she didn’t show that by accepting to be on the Republican ticket. I’ll probably get arguments from stalwart Hannity and Limbaugh fans that say, “Okay, I guess people with children shouldn’t run for President or Vice Pres.” No sheeple, that’s not what I’m saying(“sheeple” is a combo of “sheep” and “people” to those that are wondering). In that case, Obama shouldn’t be running – heck, he’s got two little girls… No, I think Obama should not be running for other reasons than his children – not a big fan of socialism. I just feel that Palin has bigger familial obligations than I’d like to see for someone who at a moment’s notice will have to take over as President of the United States, but also wants to provide a stable home alongside her husband for their children… and grandchild – this is why I feel she has poor judgement. Palin is inexperienced, opportunistic, and under investigation – I don’t care how “in the clear” Fox News and their pundits say she is in the investigation. I wouldn’t be surprised if the McCain camp is just spinning that they knew about the pregnancy before picking her. I have a feeling McCain is pissed as heck because this pregnancy blindsided him. Oh well, he’s got my vote because it’s better than the alternative, but he’s lost my confidence because of a cheap grab at the disgruntled Hillary voters. Palin has lost my respect for not choosing family over political aspiration. Oh yeah, and don’t tell me that I don’t know what Palin can or can’t handle – because you’d be right, I don’t know. But, at the same time you’d be saying it’s not that hard to take care of 5 kids, a grandkid and hold the 2nd highest office in the nation with a better than nil chance of being thrust into 1st.

  31. You all seem to forget MR Palin in this little equation. He seems supportive of his wife’s decision. He’s quit his job and is available to help with the kids. What’s the problem?

    If MR Palin were the Governer and McCain’s VP pick and HE had a wife who had quit HER job, then having five kids (four at home), including one with Down’s probably wouldn’t be much of an issue, would it?

  32. This post deleted….Boneheads not allowed to post crap.

  33. GBS –
    Whew…couldn’t have said it better. :)

    SoftRightTurn and Tara-
    My family has had its share of special needs children, including Down Syndrome (my aunt had Down Syndrome and my nephew is special needs). They are some of the most beautiful people on earth!

    While every child’s needs are different and they do require lots of care, there is no reason why, in my mind, that a supportive family (included extended family) can not continue to pursue life – even the path that Sarah is on. Yes, it may not be “traditional” but it appears from all I’ve seen so far that the Palin’s have a support structure that includes each other, their extended family, their community and friends.

    While I can respect that the decision Sarah Palin made may not be your decision (Probably wouldn’t be mine either…I quit a 6-figure career to be home with my kids), I would not let that get in the way of voting for the right candidate for our country.

    I don’t know if you profess to be Christians, but I have often prayed in the last few months for God to intervene in this election. On Friday, with the announcement of Sarah Palin, I felt He had.

    My view is that you probably can’t even put a value on the example that she is setting with her daughter and with her decision not to abort her own son—all with millions of people watching. She is also bringing forth, just because of her political stature, a real awareness of Down Syndrome to the public eye. She is also what I call a “poster child” for what most Americans can relate to……Is God in all of that somewhere? I believe He is.

    So maybe instead of tearing down her decision to run, we can look at the positive aspects of the effect she could have ( and already seems to be having) on our country, our political discourse, the right to life, and the example of grace and integrity when life throws a curve.

  34. Thanks GBS for implying that I am sexist. It gives me a chance to rebut. First of all, if you read my post thoroughly, you’ll see that I said, “…to provide a stable home alongside her HUSBAND for their children… and grandchild…” I understand he’s there, and that he’s willing to take a big share of the parental responsibility so Sarah can pursue her aspirations. However, 3 kids, 1 special needs child and helping out with a grandchild are no task for one MAN or WOMAN to have to take on virtually alone (I left out the 5th kid because he’s not really a kid anymore and he’ll be in Iraq). Secondly, I would have wholeheartedly suppported Hutchison in the veep spot. I’m just thankful McCain didn’t pick Fiorina, otherwise I don’t know what I would’ve done.

    I appreciate your point of view though sharpright because you provide valid arguements instead of attacking, and I thank you. However having a great support structure around you, as nice as that is, is not a free ticket from parental responsibility either. My family also has a great support structure but we only use it out of absolute necessity. When we brought our kids into this world, it was not so they could be raised by a nanny or their grandparents or our friends and neighbors. I have no doubt that all of the people I mentioned above will have impacts on their lives, but my wife and I will have the biggest because I’m hoping we will be the biggest influences in their lives. And you can be sure, sexism isn’t something that will be taught in this house. I’ve got a daughter too and I don’t want her to have to deal with glass ceilings either.

  35. Well, there’s news. If you’re following it, it is being reported that Palin did not inform her children prior to accepting the offer of VP. This was done in order to keep the news as secret as possible to preserve the “surprise factor.” IF this is true (please don’t come after me for saying it IS true, just that it’s being reported on network news), I find it very troubling that she would put her kids, and in particular the daughter in question, in a position they might not otherwise have wanted–or at least should have been able to weigh in on. Isn’t this the sort of thing that should be a family decision if family comes first?

  36. softrightturn,

    Not implying you were sexist…merely adding something to discussion that I hadn’t yet seen.

    This decision is for the Palin family to make, not anyone else.

    Saying that Gov Palin doesn’t have enough experience or the right experience or having policy disagreements is one thing (or maybe even three things).

    However, saying that she shouldn’t run for VP or is somehow a bad person because YOU wouldn’t do it may not be sexist, but it definitely appears condescending and judgmental.

  37. CGW…

    Stop with this “she’s hurting her family BS”. It’s not really any of your business.

    You don’t like her…fine…say so and why, but how about basing it on professional qualification or policy differences or whatever, not your presumptions about the dynamics of her family.

    I’ll say it again…if McCain’s pick was MR Palin, Governor of Alaska, you and those like you wouldn’t be trotting all this out.

  38. Sharprighturn,
    thats a great comeback, just like a republican jerk, turning away from the question and point.
    So how about it? If Bill Clinton’s under the desk issue is such a concern and burden to you, then so should McCain’s multiple affairs and Giuliani’s wonderful handling of Donna Hanover.
    But somehow, you miraculously forgot to mention that.

  39. Sharprighturn,
    “Sam,
    If your gonna tell me I’m an embarassment and stupid, first try to learn to make a paragraph and not run all of your “most stupidest crap” comments together.”
    WELL LIKE I SAID, IT’S YOU REPUBLICANS WHO ARE MOSTLY EDUCATED FROM THE BEST UNIVERSITIES. UNFORTUNATELY, I’M JUST A POOR WORKING MIDDLE-CLASS WITH ENOUGH INTELLIGENCE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU R REMARKS AND MENTALITY ARE ASININE, OBTUSE, IGNORANT, ANYONE CARE TO ADD?

  40. Sam,

    You’re a credit to your party. Now return to your WWF reruns.

  41. Sam,
    John McCain didn’t occupy the White House and neither did Guiliani at the time of their indiscretions.

    If you must know, while I like Guiliani, I don’t condone nor approve of his affair.

    As far as John McCain, I don’t hold his marital issues from 30 years or more ago against him…..especially because of the circumstances of his life at the time. He was a war hero, captured, tortured, and held for 5 years and returns to segments of our country that was rabidly and wrongly against our soldiers at the time and to a young wife. Needless to say, times were likely not easy for McCain at the time. This happened over 30 years ago, not yesterday and I can assume that since he has been married for many years now, he has learned something along the way.

    Now get over your victim, lefty complex and try to be civil.

  42. GBS, on September 2nd, 2008 at 6:26 pm Said:
    Sam,
    You’re a credit to your party. Now return to your WWF reruns.
    AND YOU’RE DEFINITELY A CREDIT YOURS…NOW GO STICK YOUR NOSE IN ANOTHER COUNTRY’S AFFAIR TO START ANOTHER WAR AND LEAVE EVERYTHING IN OBAMA’S HANDS.

  43. sharprighturn,
    Sam,
    “John McCain didn’t occupy the White House and neither did Guiliani at the time of their indiscretions.
    If you must know, while I like Guiliani, I don’t condone nor approve of his affair. ”
    WELL SHARP, if thats what u feel then my apologies. But your comments were strictly on Obama’s insane accusations of flooding the internet with 3rd grade gossip about Bristol Palin; and Bill Clinton’s “office work” which although it wasn’t 30 years ago as McCain’s, it was 13 years ago.
    Is Clinton’s “extra cream on his sugar” 13 years ago REALLY bothering you after all this time? Or was it REALLY just more flame to add to a fire that Obama hasn’t even started?

  44. CGW & softrightturn,

    I absolutely agree with your point.

    In front of God, can anyone tells me that as a parent, you would expose your children in such hash conditions? It is unthinkable. I trust God more than the Republican party…

  45. Tara,
    Obama has kids…Oh, that’s right though…his kids are NOT being drug around by their necks through the mudslinging of liberal blogs and the mainstream media.

    The harsh conditions created for Palin’s kids was created in the minds, mouths, and keyboards of the media and the Left.

    Guess that makes it Ok for liberal candidates to seek office while having a family, but not Republican candidates.

    Did you vote for Clinton? He had a child.
    Did you vote for Gore? He had children, in particular a son who was picked up for drunk driving….but that didn’t warrant the same mudslinging, huh?
    Are you voting for Obama? He has two daughters…
    Would you have voted for Hillary? She has a daughter who had already had to deal with the public indiscretion of her dad and his subsequent lying under oath….

  46. I am talking about a mother and a father with a pregnant daughter and four other children (with all these family affairs–two of them are infants). It is not the family value that I believe in… Palin’s ticket doesn’t work for me anymore.

  47. Tara,

    Joe Biden, whose wife and daughter were killed in a car accident, had 2 young boys to care for. He took the oath of office at their bedside in the midst of family loss, emotion, and dealing with 2 small children.

    How is that so different than Palin?

  48. It’s not about petty BS from the past…It’s about the best choice and experience for our future. They were clinging to ole Edwards while he lied and cheated, as did Clinton, but you dare judge a girl for being pro choice? Ah….it was ok and exciting when it was Brittney Spears sister….eh? Let me tell you people something… get over yourselves. I was 17 when my first of four children was born, and I went on to college, got a degree, and a specialized job….and am now successful on my own accord. I didnt get student assistance or loans, but had a small fee that my father paid with his life in Vietnam…thats the war McCain was a 6 year POW, for those of you who failed History… John was tortured and beaten, and never gave up…that s the kind of leader we need.. What about that? If we allow Barack Hussein Obama II to become our leader…we are doomed. National security… we WILL be attacked again…and the Middle east would LOVE to have him here… AND taxes will skyrocket if you make a decent wage at all!!!

    Get a clue… Wake up and grow a pair America! And stop picking on Palin’s daughter! Whoope doo!
    Carol

  49. Carol…..

    Well said….I love your passion!

  50. What amazes me is, the hyprocracy of the republicans. When Gov. Spitzer of NY recently resigned, he had no choice. The republicans were destroying him calling him every name in the book for his affairs with an expensive female escort.
    Now this is totally a family matter as he had a superb record as attorney general and governor. This should have been a private matter amongst his family shouldn’t it?
    So how does it differ from another governor in another state who has a 17 yr old daughter 5 months pregnant? Here you have every republican politician supporting Palin and her daughter in every way. And there’s nothing wrong with that. I believe 100% that it should be “off limits” as Obama quoted.
    But the irony is, if Palin’s daughter should be kept private, then what gives republicans the right to go on a gossip spreading spree on Spitzer?
    If you wanna look at this at a whole standpoint, if it was Obama’s daughter pregnant at 17, i guarantee republicans would have been calling her a disgrace to all teenagers, a bad example to our youth, Michelle would have been called a dead-beat irresponsible mother, and McCain surely would have come out with a few more commercials…so really, you republicans aren’t fooling anyone. Come election day, it is what it is: a big hyprocacy that’s not going to work.

  51. Sam,

    Let’s see last time I checked, we don’t throw candidates or office-holders aside for the actions of their minor children.

    Spitzer acted on his own…..Sarah’s child, NOT Sarah, is guilty of making a mistake that requires the love and support of her family and community. That hardly makes anyone a hypocrite.

    Besides you are seeing only what you want to see. Many, if not all Republicans, spoke out against Spitzer just as they spoke out about the bathroom stall toe-tapping Republican Larry Craig.

    By your logic, Al Gore should have never run after his child was arrested for DUI and Hillary Clinton should have never run for office because Bill Clinton is an adulterer.

  52. I can’t call miss Palin hypocrit, in a sense that her daughter (I presume gov. Palin had a voice in this case) didn’t abort her child when it was still possible. And I don’t want to call her a bad parent because 1 of her children has become pregnant early.
    However this case is a prime example of the failure of the ‘abstinence only’-policy that conservatives like. Young people do have sex, and if they do, they would be better of educated about condoms and other forms of protection against pregnancy’s.
    For the rest it should be better if private issues stay private. For instance I don’t no the wife of our prime-minister at all, and I don’t care. And I still am wondering why the Americans kept their president from his work because he had fun with his stagiair. I don’t think it was good for the country to have the president busy thinking about the erotic stories he had to tell the judge.

  53. Werner,
    You act as if the kids who have received free condoms and birth control at the age of 6 courtesy of the liberals have never gotten pregnant.

    Guess what…..kids who believe in abstinence-only do make mistakes….and so do kids who have been indoctrinated to have sex at will because condoms and pills “allow” it.

    Well, the ONLY way that our teenagers won’t get pregnant is to not have sex at all…….
    I’ve never understood the reasoning behind telling kids to go have sex all they want and then call abstinence-only advocates wrong.

    Strange logic.

    Your comment about Bill Clinton isn’t really worthy of a response…..but I’ll offer one anyway……it seems your whole ideology is “don’t take responsiblity for actions”….you believe that people who advocate sex and birth control for kids are free from scrutiny simply because what they believe is what matters…..not their behavior.
    Same with Clinton, you act like everyone else made him a victim…..but he wasn’t….he is solely responsible for his actions and for any “stories” he had to tell the judge…..besides Clinton’s other problem was lying under oath which is against the law in this country…..the privacy argument just doesn’t work there.

  54. Yes, he was responsible………

    to Hillary .

    What the rest of the Americans should be checking if Bill was doing his job as president well. You know, taxes, defense, social security, that kind of stuff.

    Anyway, it’s your county, I was just wondering,

  55. SHARPRIGHTURN,
    Sam,
    Let’s see last time I checked, we don’t throw candidates or office-holders aside for the actions of their minor children.
    Spitzer acted on his own…..Sarah’s child, NOT Sarah, is guilty of making a mistake that requires the love and support of her family and community. That hardly makes anyone a hypocrite.
    Besides you are seeing only what you want to see. Many, if not all Republicans, spoke out against Spitzer just as they spoke out about the bathroom stall toe-tapping Republican Larry Craig.
    By your logic, Al Gore should have never run after his child was arrested for DUI and Hillary Clinton should have never run for office because Bill Clinton is an adulterer.

    Sharprighturn,
    We never had a situation where the minor of an office-holder or candidate got pregnant so of coarse “we dont throw them aside”–we never had to. But considering the pattern of the bashing republicans, i doubt very much they’d be supporting Obama and her daughter if she was pregnant and 17. You know it and I know it.
    Not so long ago, Obama was beaten up for days over an issue where he called a reporter “sweetie” as she stuck her mic in his face while he was talking to the president of a manufacturing plant. Ironic thing is, the reporter herself was not offended as she knew she arrived late and could not get a question off for the station. Republicans all over could not stress over it as they were on cnn, msnbc, cspan, and all the local networks criticizing Obama as being unprofessional, disrepectful, etc etc. But if i recall, 8 yrs ago when then Gov of Texas George Bush JR called Adam Clymes, a NY Times reporter, a “major league asshole”, it was talked about for like, what, half a day? If that?
    So lets not even go there. Its ok for Republicans to do and say unethical things, but God forbid it’s a Democrat, because all hell breaks loose. And this is what makes this country so full of hatred amongst one another.
    I do , however, agree with you 100% that Sarah’s child acted on her own, and she deserves the actions of her family, but NOT her community. This will send the wrong message throughout communities that it’s ok to get pregnant at 17. THAT’S WHY IT REALLY SHOULD BE A PRIVATE MATTER. And you’re right, Sarah is not guilty of anything. But republicans DO believe in example. And again, rest assured, they would not be supporting Obama’s daughter or Obama/Michelle if she was pregnant at 17. They’d all be saying it’s a bad example. Now, because its election time, the big supporting act gets played. For all we know, maybe Bristol was afraid to talk to her mom about abortion because she is against abortion. Something i totally do not support. That’s why abortion is there. We make mistakes and sometimes there is no choice. For millionaires, they can afford to have another tottler in the house. For the average person, it can ruin a whole future.
    And as for Al Gore’s brother, I don’t see how the hell his brother’s DUI would impact his running for office unless he secretly had his DUI thrown out of court. Do u know how many times Billy Carter got picked up for DWI? Did Jimmy Carter have to resign? Did he have his brother pardoned? And Hillary Clinton, if her husband is an adulteror, why should she step down? Was she encouraging it? So NO its not by my logic AT ALL.
    And I’m not seeing what I want to see. I see it exactly as it is.. Yes, many or all Republicans spoke out against Spitzer (I’m glad you agree). But that was my point earlier. That was really a family matter. Spitzer has three daughters age19,16, and 14 who had to deal with this tragedy as a family alone, they didn’t need the Republican’s public humiliation. Republicans didn’t care about Spitzers daughter’s feelings, but they worship the feelings of Sarah Palin’s. And for you to say this is hardly being a hypocrite, it’s really inane, but a normal Republican attitude.
    PS And if they worshiped Larry Craig’s feelings, lol well let me stay shut on that one.

  56. CAROL,
    Carol, on September 3rd, 2008 at 7:47 pm Said:
    “but you dare judge a girl for being pro choice? Ah….it was ok and exciting when it was Brittney Spears sister….eh? Let me tell you people something..I was 17 when my first of four children was born, and I went on to college, got a degree, and a specialized job….and am now successful on my own accord. I didnt get student assistance or loans, but had a small fee that my father paid with his life in Vietnam…thats the war McCain was a 6 year POW, for those of you who failed History… John was tortured and beaten, and never gave up…that s the kind of leader we need.. What about that? If we allow Barack Hussein Obama II to become our leader…we are doomed. National security… we WILL be attacked again…and the Middle east would LOVE to have him here… AND taxes will skyrocket if you make a decent wage at all!!! ”

    CAROL, you are exactly what i was just explaining to Sharp about the community supporting 17 year old Bristol. Not everyone has the luxury of being a millionaire’s daughter or in your case, and i’m really am saddened to hear, the daughter of a Vietnam soldier who really gave his life.
    But don’t make your life so simple because you were able to have a child at 17 and still be a success. Your life was spmewhat simple because your dad’s loss of his life, while tragic, provided you with $311 a month and free education under the GI Bill that your McCain does not support and ‘Hussein’ DOES. And $311/month was good money in the 70’s and early 80’s. And your education was paid in full by the Veterans Educational Assistance Program (VEAP), and the Montgomery G.I. Bill (MGIB) thanks to the Lyndon B johnson, Nixon, and Ford administrations.
    You also automatically qualified for low to 0% loans to buy a house or a business.
    So please, lets not poison our youth that getting pregnant at 17 is not the end of the world; because again, for millions of us americans who are not so fortunate, even in tragic times, it is.
    And Sharp, you agree with anything as long as it’s a Republican supoporter don’t you? You should know about these Gi Grants if you know about McCain’s affairs 30 years ago.

  57. Sharprighturn,
    Werner,
    “You act as if the kids who have received free condoms and birth control at the age of 6 courtesy of the liberals have never gotten pregnant.Guess what…..kids who believe in abstinence-only do make mistakes….and so do kids who have been indoctrinated to have sex at will because condoms and pills “allow” it.”

    SHarp, C’MON MAN, BIRTHCONTROL AND CONDOMS AT A AGE 6?
    Are you the one that be editing the real speech and put it on youtube?
    Obama never duggested sex ed n kindergarten. What he did say was the they should know what part of the body is ok and not ok to touch.
    If kindergarteners where educated in this area, then MIchael Jackson woulkd not have been so lucky in Neverland.

  58. And another thing, I just saw the McCain speech twice very carefully, and i noticed that all McCain talked about was how he survived Vietnam. He didnt talk about the 30,000 who died in Vietnam like Carol’s dad or the 4,000 dead in Iraq’s deat-toll.
    As Obama said “this election is not about me, it’s about you”.
    I guess for McCain, it’s about him.

  59. Sam,
    You make a lot of assumptions that are not necessarily true.
    You have no idea how anyone would react if another candidate’s daughter were pregnant. In addition, you have no idea of the mind or feelings of Bristol Palin.

    You are preaching to me and everyone else here that we are wrong to support Sarah Palin because her teenage daughter is pregnant. I guess forgiveness is not in your vocabulary. And you have probably never thought about the positive example she is setting in taking responsibility for her mistake and that she has decided to keep the life she made.
    On one hand you want to paint every sympathetic soul as “hypocrites” for supporting a teenage pregnancy, but you turn around and believe it is Ok to murder a baby because a mistake has been made.
    I’ll go for the love and support of the mother over the notion we should support her in murdering her baby anyday!

    As for Al Gore, did not mention his brother…it was his son.

    Eliot Spitzer….yes, his children suffered because of HIS own actions. Eliot Spitzer did not do right by his own children or his wife…
    You are not talking apples to apples comparison with Spitzer and Bristol Palin….Bristol is neither in office or running for office and deserves her privacy.

  60. Sam,
    My comments around age 6 were more to emphasize the ignorant idea of indoctrinating our young children into sex at such a young age.
    I also believe if the parent wants to have those discussions with the young child, then fine, but it is not the school or government or Planned Parenthood’s place to do it.

  61. Sharprighturn,
    Sam,
    “My comments around age 6 were more to emphasize the ignorant idea of indoctrinating our young children into sex at such a young age”
    “I also believe if the parent wants to have those discussions with the young child, then fine, but it is not the school or government or Planned Parenthood’s place to do it.”

    ITS not an ignorant idea. If Palin’s daughter was already in her 5th month or labor at 17. When do you think she must have known about sex? Where do u think she heard it from? I DOUBT VERY MUCH SHE HEARD IT FROM HOME. Thats going to be a failed marriage. If Sarah Palin stops thinking about setting an example and “responsibility” as she calls it, then she’d call off that wedding. At 17 we don’t know what love is. WE all think we do. The smart thing to do is to have the father get a job (like they say, you made your bed, you sleep in it) and start saving for a place to stay. Then let them live together and see if they really and truly love each other, and bless their home once convinced. If you havent lived with your mate for a whole year, you can’t say you love him/her. You learn tons more about each other once you’re trapped in the same apartment or house.
    And as far as you believing that our schools, govt, or Planned Prnthd should not teach our kids about sex because it is not in their place, SAYS WHO? What are teachers? They’re licensed board-certified educator’s aren’t they? Having to tell your child about sex is perhaps one of the toughest parenting tasks. Especially the girl. And you seem to forget that there is such a thing called PEERS that will talk about sex around that child who has never heard about it and he/she will learn it from the streets; or right in the school lunchroom. And they’re going to learn it in the WRONG fashion. There’s always that one kid who will bring a laptop and play a hardcore porn, or bring the latest issue of HUSTLER and pass it around.
    There’s always that 12 year old slut who gives blow jobs to the 8th graders and tells the rest of her classmates how great it feels to have a 3-some.
    And you don’t think that the school or government or Planned Prnthood should use our tax money for something useful as making sure our youth knows that sex, love, and intimacy is not the same as orgies, gangbangs, and lust?

  62. SAM…

    No, no, and no.

  63. Sharprighturn,
    Sam,
    You make a lot of assumptions that are not necessarily true.
    You have no idea how anyone would react if another candidate’s daughter were pregnant. In addition, you have no idea of the mind or feelings of Bristol Palin.
    You are preaching to me and everyone else here that we are wrong to support Sarah Palin because her teenage daughter is pregnant. I guess forgiveness is not in your vocabulary. And you have probably never thought about the positive example she is setting in taking responsibility for her mistake and that she has decided to keep the life she made.
    On one hand you want to paint every sympathetic soul as “hypocrites” for supporting a teenage pregnancy, but you turn around and believe it is Ok to murder a baby because a mistake has been made.
    I’ll go for the love and support of the mother over the notion we should support her in murdering her baby anyday! As for Al Gore, did not mention his brother…it was his son. Eliot Spitzer….yes, his children suffered because of HIS own actions. Eliot Spitzer did not do right by his own children or his wife…You are not talking apples to apples comparison with Spitzer and Bristol Palin….Bristol is neither in office or running for office and deserves her privacy.”

    YOU’RE twisting things around. First of all, i told you i dont preach, i tell it like it is. You’re going to sit in that chair of your and say ” I have no idea of the mind or feelings of Bristol Palin”??? We’re talking about a damn 17 year old who was probably already pregnant at 16!!!!!!! When you were 17, were you ready to have babies and start a family? WEre you ready to tackle the world of sweat and taxes?? YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING IF YOU’RE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT IS IN A 17 YEAR OLD MIND!!! Then what are parents for? To give them our credit cards, wallets, and car keys?? To be honest, I dont care what’s in that 17 year old mind. I can see your 17 year old cussing at you and taking over the house if it hasn’t happened alrerady.
    And i NEVER said that everyone is wrong to support Bristol. I said that it was HYPOCRITICAL for you Republicans to show all this wonderful support and blessing as if being pregnant at 17 is acceptible, but had no concern for Spitzer’s 3 baby girls when Spitzer F*@%KED UP. It REALLY is a private matter.
    AND POSITIVE EXAMPLE??????? WHAT FREAKIN PLANET ARE YOU WRITING FROM?? TAKING RESPONSIBILITY??? YOU MORON WE HAVE GONE OVER THIS SO MANY FREAKIN TIMES THAT WHEN YOU’RE THE OFFSPRING OF MILLIONAIRES, THEY CAN AFFORD TO BRING ANOTHER TOT IN THIS WORLD!!! HELL 3 OR 4 MORE TOTS. BUT TO SAY IT’S A POSITIVE RESPONSIBLE EXAMPLE FOR THE REST OF US AVERAGE PEOPLE, SCREW YOU!! REALLY THERE IS NO OTHER WA YTO RESPOND TO YOUR IDIOSYNCRASIES.
    And what’s this crap about MURDER to the baby you damn ignoranus? Although McCAain (and a-holes like you who piss people off because you change words around) feels that life starts at conception, the laws of nature, physics, and chemistry tells us that life begins at the 1st breath of an unborn fetus which is immediately after birth.
    And i know Spitzer did not do right by his kids. When did i ever say he did? But they didn’t need the right-wingers crucifying them more with embarrassment.

    Sharp

  64. sharprightturn, on September 5th, 2008 at 2:37 pm Said:
    SAM…
    No, no, and no.

    LOL that about sums it up..Amy Winehouse’s famous words. And look at her now.

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